Death Curse

[MURDERCAT]

Uhhhh

It's worth noting that LLD showed signs of life before the scroll was passed to her. I'm not gonna overthink the reasoning behind the pass,I still think Noraa is town.

Here is what I will overthink, why did Fred hurt tag instead of vote. Obviously that means someone in the scum pt hadn't weighed in. There is someone who want online perhaps for the whole time Fred was flipped or at least most of the time that Fred wanted to give the chance to weigh in.

Pedit: Fred is 100% scum

[Gloria Cleary]

The last vote LLD cast was Hopkirk (I checked)

This is how scroll pass is determined if there is no hurt tag

Oh I see but omg, just realized that maybe Noraa isn’t the target and if Fred is scum, then he could have scrolled an inactive slot to give scum a free secret scroll.

If Toog had scrolled me when I was V/LA maybe that’s what would have happened.

Maybe I’m wrong on Tayl0r then?

Because scum!Tayl0r would have obviously known scum would get to pick and she’s the one who told him I was V/LA.

[MURDERCAT]

That's a lot of layers deep but you might have gotten to the right place anyway

[Gloria Cleary]

Uhhhh

It's worth noting that LLD showed signs of life before the scroll was passed to her. I'm not gonna overthink the reasoning behind the pass,I still think Noraa is town.

Here is what I will overthink, why did Fred hurt tag instead of vote. Obviously that means someone in the scum pt hadn't weighed in. There is someone who want online perhaps for the whole time Fred was flipped or at least most of the time that Fred wanted to give the chance to weigh in.

Pedit: Fred is 100% scum

Yeah, very likely.

[MURDERCAT]

I'm not sure on taylor but I do think she's town

[Gloria Cleary]

Hopkirk
Theta Alpine
Gloria
Vaxkiller
UNOwen

One of these 5 people will get the scroll.

gloria is afk and cant get the scroll

. ideally i think we go theta->uno if thats your list. i dont think hopkirk ever flips scum here.

So, I think Tayl0r might have townslipped with this.

[Gloria Cleary]

That's a lot of layers deep but you might have gotten to the right place anyway

I'm not sure on taylor but I do think she's town

Yeah, I didn’t realize that scum would get to pick. Fred saying he bought Fidget’s who he took great pains to let us know he’s not townreading - Adorable case.

Fred scum!flip is either him distancing from Fidget or a possible frame. This is especially likely is Adorable is town. While it’s possible that Adorable could be a potential buddy, I’m leaning on it as trying to set up false associatives with Tayl0r, who he’s been hardpushing. Nora is almost also certainly confitown from a Fred scumflip but she’s obvtown regardless, especially since I now think that Tayl0r is.

I think Fidget is a very likely Fred buddy. What town ever buys a scumcase from a player they’re not actually townreading? That makes absolutely no sense.

[Titus]

I'll pick the last living/non-cursed player

Unless this is limited to the same game day, LLD passes to Noraa

[Tayl0r Swift]

I don't get why scum Fred wifoms with all the adorable stuff. Does adorable look any better now?

best not to read into it probably. its pure wifom.

[MURDERCAT]

LLD will pick someone

[Titus]

The wagons will decide.

[Titus]

Mod: Is the last living player rule limited by game day?

[Gloria Cleary]

I'll pick the last living/non-cursed player

Unless this is limited to the same game day, LLD passes to Noraa

Hmm . . . yeah, this is the likely explanation for all of those nutty LLD/Noraa, Tayl0r/Pooky scum theatre posts. So if this actually happens, we should probably look extremely carefully at Noraa’s reads. If Fred’s scum - which I’m heavily leaning to - then he very clearly didn’t want Noraa to be able to scroll anyone.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Hopkirk
Theta Alpine
Gloria
Vaxkiller
UNOwen

One of these 5 people will get the scroll.

gloria is afk and cant get the scroll

. ideally i think we go theta->uno if thats your list. i dont think hopkirk ever flips scum here.

So, I think Tayl0r might have townslipped with this.

to be clear i wasnt saying its not possible to give VLA players the scroll. i just meant its a really bad idea.

[Titus]

I'll pick the last living/non-cursed player

Unless this is limited to the same game day, LLD passes to Noraa

Hmm . . . yeah, this is the likely explanation for all of those nutty LLD/Noraa, Tayl0r/Pooky scum theatre posts. So if this actually happens, we should probably look extremely carefully at Noraa’s reads. If Fred’s scum - which I’m heavily leaning to - then he very clearly didn’t want Noraa to be able to scroll anyone.

It all depends on that rules assertion though.

[Gloria Cleary]

Hopkirk
Theta Alpine
Gloria
Vaxkiller
UNOwen

One of these 5 people will get the scroll.

gloria is afk and cant get the scroll

. ideally i think we go theta->uno if thats your list. i dont think hopkirk ever flips scum here.

So, I think Tayl0r might have townslipped with this.

to be clear i wasnt saying its not possible to give VLA players the scroll. i just meant its a really bad idea.

Actually, a scum!Fred flip confitowns Pooky as well because that’s where my vote was. Because he would have gotten the scroll from me in that case, right?

[Tayl0r Swift]

Actually, a scum!Fred flip confitowns Pooky as well because that’s where my vote was. Because he would have gotten the scroll from me in that case, right?

how? scum didnt have the scroll. but theyd want to give the scroll to VLA you so it gets passed to town!pooky.

[Gloria Cleary]

¶

Votecount 1.20

(FINAL)

[11] Toogeloo:

Hopkirk, MURDERCAT, Titus, Toogeloo, Theta Alpine, MUSHSHAGANA, Lady Lambdadelta, Noraa, UNOwen, shellyc, Bell

HAMMER

[2] Tayl0r Swift:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Bell

[2] Bell:

Tayl0r Swift, Vaxkiller

[2] shellyc:

Fidget, Flea The Magician

[1] Noraa:

Adorable

[1] PookyTheMagicalBear

Gloria Cleary

[1] Adorable:

Lapsa

[1] Not Voting:

Zdenek

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to curse someone with the scroll. If there is no majority by the deadline, the mafia will choose who to curse.

The cursing deadline is in (expired on 2020-10-28 03:35:35).

Joint moderator ISO.

@mod, if Toog had passed the scroll to me while I was V/LA, then would have Pooky been flipped or would have scum decided?

[MURDERCAT]

Actually, a scum!Fred flip confitowns Pooky as well because that’s where my vote was. Because he would have gotten the scroll from me in that case, right?

What?

[MURDERCAT]

You can look at the ruleset and the review, there is nothing about "current game day"

[UNOwen]

Fred!scum wanted to scroll Noraa so decided to do it by proxy and gave it to inactive LLD instead of the already set up Adorable?
I don't believe it.

[MURDERCAT]

I think the idea is less about scrolling Noraa and more about hitting an obv town who wouldn't hit them back

[Gloria Cleary]

Actually, a scum!Fred flip confitowns Pooky as well because that’s where my vote was. Because he would have gotten the scroll from me in that case, right?

how? scum didnt have the scroll. but theyd want to give the scroll to VLA you so it gets passed to town!pooky.

Well Pooky’s theory that you didn’t want him to use it on Noraa is clearly debunked from this. My point is that Fred set up extremely unlikely pairings: You/Pooky and LLD/Noraa.

You could have easily said nothing and Toog scrolls me and Pooky gets scrolled because he was my last vote.

[UNOwen]

Most obvtown after Fred scum flip are Bell and MUSH (and MUSH was universally obvtown anyway). Why has Fred not passed the scroll to either of these players?

[MURDERCAT]

Well Pooky’s theory that you didn’t want him to use it on Noraa is clearly debunked from this. My point is that Fred set up extremely unlikely pairings: You/Pooky and LLD/Noraa.

These were already unlikely