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[VP Baltar]

then vote me?

You most likely want a 1v1 to shit up the thread, and because it gives you another shot at me that scum bungled yesterday. I think it is also highly likely you're worried about a scum PR getting limmed and you're probably a goon. I don't generally do things scum ask me to do.

If town wants to go down this road, I will, but I think frogster is more likely to be a scum PR.

[Nero Cain]

kinda rings hollow when you dropped your frog vote at the drop of a nickel to join a much easier eyes wagon

[VP Baltar]

Do you feel Nero is a better lim today than eyes? You voted eyes for the townblock which doesn't tell me your reads? My game read suggests town are being FoSed for their reads and/or lurking. Gamestate means I have to entertain being wrong.

I want frogster today. Nero is acceptable. Eyes is acceptable.

[Mizzytastic]

One thing I said I'd talk about is the strategy of ko. The rules purpose was to avoid infinite loops, but to get to take a ko back you need to find moves that threaten a bigger point swing then whatever losing the ko is worth.

In this simplified example white threatens capturing the three stones to force black to respond, letting white take the ko back.

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Official Votecount 3.4

Eyes without a face (4): Cape90, tenebrousluminary, Titus, VP Baltar

[E-4]

Titus (1): fireisredsir
Enchant (1): Scorpious
Galron (1): MathBlade
VP Baltar (1): Nero Cain
April Ludgate (1): Save The Dragons

Not Voting (6): Frogsterking, DeasVail, Enchant, Galron, Eyes without a face, April Ludgate

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 votes to achieve an elimination.

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2022-03-25 22:15:00).

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[tenebrousluminary]

It is likely annoying that I come with "no"s and few "yes"es, but:

I think Enchant is not mafia because his claimed targets don't look planned by a team that is paying attention. If he is a serial killer I do not care right now.

The Yeet night kill does not make anyone he was townreading look good. He was clearly killed for his role.

[Nero Cain]

you think that scum are me and frog but you are going after neither of us. I know that you did add eyes to your latest list but thats only b/c his wagon popped up. Your "scumreads" are me, frog and STD and you aren't trying hard to get any of us.

[VP Baltar]

kinda rings hollow when you dropped your frog vote at the drop of a nickel to join a much easier eyes wagon

Lemme just get this cleared up, so you understand your place: you are not pooky. You aren't as good at this game as pooky. You can't provoke people like pooky. And you aren't going to get me riled up in a shit post fest. So stop trying to be the dollar general version of pooky.

You've been trying all game, and it's the weakest play I've seen in a long time. I'd rather you just stop clogging the thread with trash posts if this is the best you can do.

[Nero Cain]

then why have you killed more town then I have this game?

[Titus]

Why are you?

cause every scumteam i can think of has you on it

Why? Please be direct. You've been stating every scumteam has me on it. That doesn't say why you feel I am scum or why eyes is clear.

i don't have time to wallpost rn, maybe later, but it's mostly about the way you were positioning yourself yesterday. and i think you played up the ignorance of gamestate a little too much. also datisi had a few things that i felt were pretty... off, even tho i was charmed into townreading him as i KNEW would happen

Fair on Datisi. Nothing I can do on that. Datisi is pretty charismatic.

The likely reason people aren't joining on your theory of me being ignorant of the state d1 is that is because it is who I am. I don't read and I don't know unless I am scum.

[Nero Cain]

do you feel like "I'm not going to read d1 and continue to be misinformed b/c that's my playstyle." is a particularly pro-town thing to do?

[Titus]

then why have you killed more town then I have this game?

Not a fan of this but that's your personality I think.

[VP Baltar]

then why have you killed more town then I have this game?

You aren't scumhunting. Stated already, you aren't putting your vote out there.

What we know is you have gone after town, then backed off and try to shade people on the wagon.

You camp a vote on me because it is a safe space for you. I gave you a chance to flip me yesterday and look like shit. You couldn't even get that to happen when I was showing you my belly.

Why are you so ineffective at getting a wagon over if you're so town?

I've pointed out plenty of scummy behavior by you around the galron-yeet stuff and you have literally no response to it.

You're not taking any risks, so of course you have little to no dirt on your hands. You aren't pushing any lims for real.

[Nero Cain]

I feel like I'm tunneled on Baltar and Nero because that's about all of the content in the hood. What Cape has written leans me town there.

????

You haven't expressed any suspicion of VP at all. Balter has been calling me scum since d1 but he's afraid to push anything that he actually has to push.

[Titus]

do you feel like "I'm not going to read d1 and continue to be misinformed b/c that's my playstyle." is a particularly pro-town thing to do?

It doesn't make me misinformed. It forces people to explain the gamestate and their votes. It creates reflection that's harder to do when people suppose I have a preformed opinion.

[fireisredsir]

The likely reason people aren't joining on your theory of me being ignorant of the state d1 is that is because it is who I am. I don't read and I don't know unless I am scum.

to be more specific i think there are things that you acted as if you didn't know when you actually did, because you know that's your playstyle. it wasn't that you were ignorant of the gamestate, it was that the way you played it up and leaned on it felt fake

[Nero Cain]

then why have you killed more town then I have this game?

Not a fan of this but that's your personality I think.

Y not? its the truth. He pushed the Wu wagon through, he pushed the Malcolm wagon through. They were both town.

[Titus]

I'm a big fan of the Socratic method and other questioning of cases and highlighting things. The very questions can be used as evidence of an agenda. Everyone has an agenda. The question is, is that agenda town or scum.

[MathBlade]

Malcolm I am sorry.

Good luck everyone

Vig boon

Elim VP

Then Galron follows
And Titus follows

Good luck

It’s shit like this where I think VP is scum
He said I scumread Yeet. I realized end of day Yeet was bad town

My solve is pretty much 2 in the hood and April and Titus and I think those two are VP and Galron

[Nero Cain]

my only slight problem with Yeet is that he shouldn't have claimed

[MathBlade]

If Galron was scum, then killing yeet leaves other PRs alive and suggests Galron is town because scum only shoot yeet to fear his results.

This is a good point by Titus I think. Scum had to shoot yeet for fear of getting caught. If Galron was scum, that probably doesn't happen. Or at least is less likely to happen.

That’s a horrible point by Titus.

Yeet kill is wine because PR.

If Galron is scum as I suspect then you have the fake “clear” to protect him

As he follows his scum meta and still doesn’t post

[VP Baltar]

He said I scumread Yeet. I realized end of day Yeet was bad town

So....you did scum read yeet and then changed your mind.

Have some humility.

[MathBlade]

Math, people are ignoring you because your solve is hare-brained and full of spec and then you call people scum for not agreeing with you.

I'm in the same boat as you that I can't really get sway toward my solve, but you can't burn every bridge and just insist you're right because you are a mason.

If you want to have an honest conversation, I'm here, but I will largely ignore you if this is going to be your approach to the game. There have been several listed reasons why galron is more likely town than scum. There have been stated reasons why I'm more likely town than scum. Yeet and HEM, two confirmed towns, both seemed to be town reading me at their time of death, further making it unlikely someone like me would want them dead.

Try to work with people here please. I don't think your solve or plan to get there is anywhere remotely near correct.

I am trying to work with people

A solve you don’t understand isn’t “harebrained”

This is exactly the problem I am talking about

In order to have an honest conversation you have to not be framing everything negatively.

HEM was NOT TRing you a fact I said several times

I was and HEM convinced me otherwise

[MathBlade]

He said I scumread Yeet. I realized end of day Yeet was bad town

So....you did scum read yeet and then changed your mind.

Have some humility.

Yes I can change my mind.

What’s your point here?

I do have humility I am frustrated with you consistently lying about what I am saying when it’s verifiable you are

[Titus]

The likely reason people aren't joining on your theory of me being ignorant of the state d1 is that is because it is who I am. I don't read and I don't know unless I am scum.

to be more specific i think there are things that you acted as if you didn't know when you actually did, because you know that's your playstyle. it wasn't that you were ignorant of the gamestate, it was that the way you played it up and leaned on it felt fake

Alright. Felt fake isn't really something I can engage on. I'm not a fan of gut and tone reads as I can't easily show where you're wrong. Gut/tone reads do exist and I have engaged on them from time to time. That combined with your paranoia of Datisi creates some rationale for you suspecting me as scum.

What I need to do is verify you have that stated paranoia. My minimal concern on you as that if I were scum, I'd open FoSing those who had correct reads. So that meant you would be scum protecting eyes and Scorpious. It's not a large one and contingent on my other reads being correct. I'm townreading you otherwise but I figured it best to engage you.

[fireisredsir]

vp keeps trying to claim town cred for things that he should know he does not at all deserve town cred for and idk why he would do that as town