Sid Meier's Civilization 5 UPick Mafia (GAME OVER)

[OnTheMark]

The Red kill is the literal antithesis of longevity for Klazam.

It’d make sense if Orange not red and Orange doesn’t kill A50 as that’s even more derpy.

[Ranmaru]

Gamma, what's your read on Klazam right now? Would you care to vote him with me?

[Gamma Emerald]

Hmm. So who do you think red scum killed if you're thinking they're killing to survive, Mark?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, what's your read on Klazam right now? Would you care to vote him with me?

I think my vote is already there but just for insurance I guess
VOTE: Klazam

[OnTheMark]

Hmm. So who do you think red scum killed if you're thinking they're killing to survive, Mark?

You because you’re the equivalent to a cop right now.

[Gamma Emerald]

That is what I thought. As such either A50 was killed by Shaz or Orange, which means we need to determine id Orange has any reason to commit that kill.

[OnTheMark]

That is what I thought. As such either A50 was killed by Shaz or Orange, which means we need to determine id Orange has any reason to commit that kill.

A50 only makes sense for Orange if they don’t have religion spreaders even then it’s remarkably suboptimal that they didn’t try to kill brass or you. Again if Orange is both deep wolf maybe but I find that unlikely.

Shaziro I already cased out why he’d kill A50.

[brassherald]

There was a whole discussion as to why Religion spreaders would not be on the science mafia. But, Atheism is a religion option, therefore, if anyone claims atheism, I am immediately lynching them.

[brassherald]

VOTE: Klazam

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like I'm starting to trust you abit more here Mark. However I still don't believe Shaz is the best lynch. Even if he is SK I think as stated by others he's backed himself into a corner here. Either he tries to play the long con or hopes the kills don't line up in a way to incriminate him.

[OnTheMark]

There was a whole discussion as to why Religion spreaders would not be on the science mafia. But, Atheism is a religion option, therefore, if anyone claims atheism, I am immediately lynching them.

So then why would Orange as scum then kill A50 which would then highlight or at the very least talk about religion? Again suboptimal.

Klazam killing Gamma makes sense
Orange killing A50 does not.

Hence why a SK is needed.

[OnTheMark]

I feel like I'm starting to trust you abit more here Mark. However I still don't believe Shaz is the best lynch. Even if he is SK I think as stated by others he's backed himself into a corner here. Either he tries to play the long con or hopes the kills don't line up in a way to incriminate him.

And I hope to get the time to show you it is.

Hence why I am on Ranmaru.

[brassherald]

They forgot to submit a lynch, and the mod just gave them the first alphabetical player.

[brassherald]

They forgot to submit a kill, and the mod just gave them the first alphabetical player.

EBWOP

[Gamma Emerald]

marshy and pidgey I forget, what are your world leaders?

[OnTheMark]

They forgot to submit a kill, and the mod just gave them the first alphabetical player.

EBWOP

Compulsive kills aren’t a thing on MS.

Scum can’t opt to no kill or forget.

[OnTheMark]

They forgot to submit a kill, and the mod just gave them the first alphabetical player.

EBWOP

Compulsive kills aren’t a thing on MS.

Scum can opt to no kill or forget.

My turn lolz

Ebwop

[Ranmaru]

Why Titus & Mark are Orange Scum

:

Titus's vote on Gamma is weird, here: #49. I ask her why she voted Gamma, and this is her response: #251. She doesn't give a convincing reason to be on Gamma, which reads as fake. In her #299, she responds to me but not to my entire substance. I feel like she couldn't actually respond, so that was part of why she was posting less during mid game of D1. Her #460 didn't have a solid conclusion for leaving Gamma. In her #521, she responds to Pidgey's town read of me, which stinks of scum trying to shoot down correct town reads by giving a counter point. Titus follows Varsoon in her #619, which is her orange mate. In her #1000 she states she was busy, but I think it's more her motivation. She started early and seemed to be steering things and then didn't do much afterwards, which shows she was only doing it for show. Her #3399 isn't believable, she hasn't really had much progression there, she voted Gamma after Chara did, but never really stated why nor has she stated a confident read. Again, it seemed like it was for show.

Mark's #4340 is weird. To me it seems like he was aware of the thread and when he sees myself start catching up. His #4345 feels disingenuous to me. He asks me for my current thoughts, and I give them and that just seems like such a calculated response. After I have interacted with him about it, he's never gave a conclusion on me, and gave this response to why: #5131. He states I would sort myself out later, clearly leaves out a read so that he can come back to that later. #5176 #5177 Here, after being proved wrong that Shaziro cannot be SK, Mark finally moves to me without any solid reasoning or backing whatsoever. This is the definition of backing down, but at an opportunistic time. Let's rewind, he's had me as 'you'll be sorted later' for this very opportunity that he might be proved wrong. Now, this all reads as him not caring to actually determine alignment, but rather pick and choose a target, and tunnel, until it's not feasible to push anymore and switch when it's time. It doesn't seem organic to me. It would be in Orange's best interest to avoid a red scum lynch, and this is what it seems like Mark is doing. Either push Shaziro or anyone not Klazam.

FOS: MARK

[OnTheMark]

What is this? Amatuer hour?

I suspect Shaziro; Shaziro tunnels me.
I suspect Ran; Ran tunnels me.

And no. No one has demonstrated Shapiro isn’t the SK only that they are stubborn that they refuse to consider it. Therefore I have to move onto the next likely in a town!Shapiro world.

[Ranmaru]

Today, we'll lynch Klazam, the final red scum. Next we'll focus on Orange scum, and we'll begin with Mark. Gamma and Marshy, talk to me about this.

[BuJaber]

No we lynch Mark.

He is picking and choosing which arguments to respond to and he keeps talking about his past successes to justify what is essentially a gut read.

His obtimal / suboptimal arguments are weak.
A) I don't agree that A50 kill was suboptimal.
B) he says that we aren't going to kill religion spreaders in the short term but will once the numbers dwindle. Exactly that is my point.. religion spreader scum gets to live longer because A50 died.
C) he says we shouldn't assume scum played suboptimally but suggesting we kill potential SK is suboptimal for town when there are scum factions still alive especially when he's outed. In fact assuming shaz is SK is in itself assuming that shaz played suboptimaly with his claims. Why should we play suboptimally when you think scum are playing optimally.
D) there was only 1 kill last night. That is proof that scum played suboptimally. They lost a chance at killing another towie.
E) why can't red shoot A50? That part wasn't clear to me.

Then there's the posts. Scum subconsciously talk about how good their scumgame is or their analysis is or whatever other skills they have more than usual because they need to backup cases they know are fake.

Suspecting ranmaru is suspicious given the timing.

Mark
Shaziro defended gamma aggressively at a time when a gamma lynch was quite probable.
When people weren't convinced he claimed vig and the dunk kill.
He claimed a kill on a townie the next day knowing full well he will have to explain it. There were 2 kills. He didn't need to claim it when he could have claimed consecutive or 1 shot. (If you believe he could claim 2 shot I assume claiming 1 shot is in the realm of possibilities).
He then claimed he is out of shots.

Where is the motivation to do any of that?

Even the dunk kill. Dunk was suspected by several people he was likely to flip scum. Why would SK shoot probable scum in night 1?

[Shaziro]

Mark: It is indeed a silly kill. Yet, if you believe that is the case, why do you believe an SK would kill in a silly way, after claiming not to have any more shots, as a pro-claimed town vig? If Klazam showed the ability and desire to talk himself out of his situation, I'd consider what you are saying, but his lack of posting doesn't seem to lean towards that deduction. Also keep in mind that most of the kills have been players on the Creature wagon on Day 1.

Because Shaziro could lie about it much better than most. He could say “oh trying to live another day so scum didn’t see me as a threat” He’s already lied and had people about it.

As for me I am “lack of posting” as I am a hyperposter. Posting or lack thereof is NAI. I have posted for 24 hours straight before as scum and made far less and won as town.

It’s a matter of the quality of the post when someone does post.

I literally never lied. I never claimed one shot vig, you tried to claim I did and then when people questioned it gave a -really- reachy and garbage reason as to why. I specifically avoided answering questions about my shots because I didn't want to give scum information, but I never claimed to be unlimited shot vig. I claimed vig, no number of shots given. You know it, I know it, we both know you're trying awfully hard to hold on to the hope of getting me lynched because you know you won't get conftown brass lynched and I'm the next closest thing to conftown in the thread save for maybe gamma.

I'm like 90% on him town still, given that the only reason anyone had any suspicion on him (at the time at least) was a really reachy 'soft guilty' and he's been playing super pro town. I believe he's pretty universally townread? Hard to tell where people's townreads are at, save for Chara's on you which is stupidly unshakable despite the fact that you are 100% flipping scum.

[Shaziro]

Finished catching up. Losing my shit at the claim that I'm tunneling math for being suspected, and not because the logic is shit beyond reasoning and because of the constant stream of bull about things I've said. "YOU SAID THE WORD ONE ONCE, THEREFORE YOU WERE TRYING TO HINT AT BEING ONE SHOT!" bloody hell, are we -really- all going to assume OTM is this bad a player? They're caught scum trying to look convincing.

They're also now trying to force the idea that their claim for what is "optimal scumplay" is, in fact, optimal scumplay. So firstly, how does OTM have information that we don't have about scum, that they can claim with 100% certainty what is optimal and what isn't? (Hint: they're scum)

Look I'm going to play a game of magic fantasy land and pretend OTM isn't super obviously scum. OTM. Go look at the way you were at the end of Mao Mafia. Give that a good read over. You were being ridiculous and even then you were playing better and more logically -then-. In a -bastard game-. Once you've done that, come on back.

[Klazam]

Tbh i'm here, reading along, but with nothing to say.

I think fighting my own lynch would be a net negative for the town. Scum would want to keep me around, because im easy as hell to mislynch later on in the game.

After i die- look to these who defend me (indirectly, probably) for potential scum. (which probably points to two people, if i recall things: OnTheMark and Bujaber)

I dont think Shaziro is a sk here. OTM's pushing on this pings me here because its a pretty far reach, the things he says.

Ranmaru taking up a very active role and replacing back in his own slot gives me good feels.

[Ranmaru]

My reason for wanting red scum first is so we can decrease night kills. I'd like to know why people want Mark over Klazam if we agree that both are scum. I also want to see others post, it's been a little slow. Gamma, Chara, Marshy, etc. Thor will be catching up this weekend so I'll expect to see his thoughts sometime soon as well.