Micro 960: A Year of Miccros II - Game Over

[skitter30]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=80162

Apparently this one, from a year ago, wherein you started by calling me scum for dubious reasons, were kinda flaky, loltownbinned me, and repped out

Since then we've also had a tvt (nomnom's c++), and like three games of me-scum you-town, and a bunch of games that i played and you spectated/modded or vice versa

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at that point it's optimal to hunt for her partners and have her visit unaligned people who are low in consensus reads until either {she's confirmed, scum are forced to shoot the elim pool}.....

pedit: it's almost like i misread her on day one

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You had almost enough votes to push skitter out on D1-

Aldus/TW were voting Skitter.

SS said he was leaning towards voting skitter.

Raven was thinking of voting skitter.

Datisi unvoted aldus and was thinking about voting skitter.

You told me you wanted to push skitter before Aldus - you wanted me to vote with you too.

Lilith said she was thinking of voting with SS and offing skitter as well - that's when skitter decided she had to hard-claim confirmable town TPR.

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=80162

Apparently this one, from a year ago, wherein you started by calling me scum for dubious reasons, were kinda flaky, loltownbinned me, and repped out

Since then we've also had a tvt (nomnom's c++), and like three games of me-scum you-town, and a bunch of games that i played and you spectated/modded or vice versa

i might be projecting fear of your towngame + experience with scum!you beating me. interesting.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Skitter, have you at all addressed the paranoia about you/duck? (like, in a serious way?)

not really
can i, like, give a serious answer on this tom?
i promise i'll address it tom if we're both still alive and it's still an issue

this post is why you guys decided that skitter was most likely going to visit lilith and night - and why you used a normal nightkill instead of MfD on Lilith - your hope was that she would be killed and unable to confirm skitter being a FN.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm like 90% sure in postgame this will be in your scum PT where you and SS are discussing who to kill to prevent the skitter night-visit from confirming her as town so you can push her on D2.

[Something_Smart]

How can that be the case when skitter didn't claim friendly neighbor until D2

[skitter30]

Yeah and then going back to starcraft there's another me-scum and you-town. Maybe another tvt (i just lost track, i looked at like 20 game threads just now), and starcraft

Soi think out of the past 8 it's like two or three tvt's, me-scum you-town 4 times, and you-scum me-town like twice

I think starcraft and american presidents stained my soul and made me permanently paranoid

But even so i dont *think* this is ur scumgame

Also apparently i was at least one newbie with mena, dats, and bugs apiece

[skitter30]

the scum took this to mean that you would visit her

I wasnt gonna visit her cuz she was dying well before the fn thing came to light

Hence visiting dats

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....and putting ourselves into a position where the game is literally the absolute hardest to win it could possibly be for.....the benefit of being able to leave skitter in the PoE in the hopes we could once again outguess her N2 target IF she was a friendly neighbour in the first place....?

this is literally nka wifom

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

because Koba had a spreadsheet of every micro game that could've been picked for this setup and he probably put it into the scum PT.

So if you loaded that spreadsheet - it probably shows that the most likely self-confirmable town PR that would make it into this game would be a Friendly Neighbor. - This is just a guess on my part, I have not done the actual work to compile the list of all possible roles that could be here in this game. But I think if I were to spend the time to pull every micro that could be in this game, the data would show this to be true.

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that was @pooky. sorry gimme a minute

[skitter30]

think about how good of a position TW/SS would be in on D2 if you had visited Lilith on N1 -

Cept i knew she was dying (coughs at the bg who claimed bg) and so i had decided like mid-day1 (ie dozens of pages before the fn vlaim or i indicated i was a pr) that i wasnt gonna visit her

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

....and putting ourselves into a position where the game is literally the absolute hardest to win it could possibly be for.....the benefit of being able to leave skitter in the PoE in the hopes we could once again outguess her N2 target IF she was a friendly neighbour in the first place....?

this is literally nka wifom

no I think you were hoping to be able to push her out on D2 if her N1 visit ended up being lilith

but since you missed on that you immediately pivoted to claiming a BG.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

think about how good of a position TW/SS would be in on D2 if you had visited Lilith on N1 -

Cept i knew she was dying (coughs at the bg who claimed bg) and so i had decided like mid-day1 (ie dozens of pages before the fn vlaim or i indicated i was a pr) that i wasnt gonna visit her

well according to TW it's unfathomable for lilith to die so that's why he didn't protect her, and also why he thought you would be visiting her. That's why he killed her at night

[skitter30]

you were trying to mis-elim skitter on Day 1 before she claimed FN

No offense to tw but i dont think scum-him thinks he can actually get me elim'd

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

um do you not remember how close he got you to getting elim'd on D1?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if you didn't have a confirmable TPR I'm pretty sure lilith and SS vote you and maybe he swings raven or dats too.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Lilith and SS were both saying they were going to vote you near the end of D1 despite SS having Aldus on the same tier as you in his readlist

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Yeah and then going back to starcraft there's another me-scum and you-town. Maybe another tvt (i just lost track, i looked at like 20 game threads just now), and starcraft

Soi think out of the past 8 it's like two or three tvt's, me-scum you-town 4 times, and you-scum me-town like twice

I think starcraft and american presidents stained my soul and made me permanently paranoid

But even so i dont *think* this is ur scumgame

Also apparently i was at least one newbie with mena, dats, and bugs apiece

Iirc I made a joke about you being confirmed scum by me rolling town in a game recently; we roll opposite alignments A Lot

the stained soul/perpetual paranoia is a gigantic mood after watching the gerrymandering>pypx/y>.....>TM>mbos9 scum skitter evolution; I think we've rolled against each other too many times to be able to read each other as cleanly as we did back in like 2018

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let me go find it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like do you think this is a geniune readlist from SS at the end of D1:

My readlist is like

lilith, pooky
Datisi, Raven
duck
Dsjtdhvgkbcd
Skitter Thirty, Alduskkel

Like I was dumb enough to think Skitter/Aldus could've been the scum team cuz I'm literally an idiot who's never played with you before but do you think SS actually thought that you and aldus were scum together?

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i am not a smart duck

[skitter30]

I also, tbf, knew i had an ace up my sleeve and was actively playing in a way that i knew would look scummy so i wouldnt, like, die

If i wasnt doing that he doesnt get nearly as close as he did

Yes i was kinda close at the end of the day but i only let it get that close knowing i could claim confirmable pr if necessary and that i dont get voted out if i do

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i am not sure if i actually want to hammer aldus
i just like
wish people would vote skitter because she's scum
) :

I would vote skitter probably

s_s who do you wanna vote for?

Skitter or Alduskkel. I'm pretty agnostic between them.

I think skitter's flip probably helps us more.