The most persuasive case is usually a short case. To butcher an old adage, the more you have to explain the less persuasive you are and it's easier to find one detail to disagree and get people to confbias. The last word syndrome basically is a bias that if you just say one magical thing, then the other person will be persuaded. Most everyone is caught up in that here.
The best example of recent case communication (although not great) is myself and Koba. We disagree with each other but we understand each other and I feel that's a good foundation to start from. I feel that, if I could get a confident enough foothold with refreshed information, that I could discuss some reads like butter with them (I think that's the right pronoun).
This thread has largely lost that ability due to the rehash. I wanted to test partner scenarios and that's out.
The behavior has also lead to a suboptimal gamestate, even if we eliminate catboi's slot which individually helps me in the future. Whoever loses will feel completely left out. Part of this toxic standoff could have been avoided if people could get or force the non voters to contribute. That's impossible as town and scum would have difficulties catching up in this gamestate.
This lead to foreclosing the best collective elimination of Meg today. We have a solidish town core with most agreeing (even if they feel each other is a pain in the ass) on members minus 1 or 2 on the outskirts. If this group could have worked together, we could have swung a Meg elimination that would have made a multitude of people happy for a multitude of reasons. Even if one or two of the town core was scum, distancing from Meg there was easy as no one would move to lim there given the toxic gamestate.
So the question becomes, why didn't I quote everyone's agreement and push the elimination? To be frank, everyone's sick of this day. Sometimes cohesion requires giving up on what I think is the most optimal play.
Flavor Leaf
I am going to single you out a bit, despite you being my strongest P
TR. Your hyper posting regarding catboi drowned out a lot of discussion, including things that I wanted to do. This is very distespectful to your townreads and is borderline arrogant. Given you said you're self aware, then you should know that a town leader should look to get the best from their townreads. This ain't it.
It also lets catboi obscure reads if scum because anyone would be pissed off at the severity of the tunnel. It drowns out other things to read as well to help get reads or force catboi to give them as scum. It cuts off people from reading catboi independently. My by play read on catboi hasn't really evolved since before I was wagoned because of the impossible communication when I got back from work.
I can't even scumread the requests to vig you because this reminds me of civilization. I had to actually advocate for a vig/lim on my own slot to try and save town cohesion. It makes total sense for town to want you dead to communicate and scum to want you dead for being obvious town.
The fact you still play in such an anti-town manner is extremely frustrating. I have skimmed over a good chunk of your posts and missed things due to your hyperposting.
1140 posts is absolutely unacceptable when the nearest person has 410.
Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 3:21 pm
by Cephrir
Day is not over -- as cassowary has pointed out, I miscounted. Sorry.
Let me put out a reasonless readwall before hammer plz.
Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 3:22 pm
by Ydrasse
ok well methinks toog just knew they werent on e-1 and is being silly and goofy so
Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 3:23 pm
by Ydrasse
its the coy "i was town power... investigative" without claiming
Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 3:23 pm
by Klick
I will not be voting anywhere but FL today.
Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 3:24 pm
by Dunnstral
Everyone who we run up is either monk, mason, or town investigative, or some other power role
Except for bnuuy
Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 3:24 pm
by Cephrir
Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 3:24 pm
by Ydrasse
can you not be on a worthless vanity wagon ~_~
as much as everyone probably wants to kill him regardless of alignment ur just not helping by doing that because no one is going to actually rally to kill him lol
Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 3:25 pm
by Nashville Dreams
I forgot one thing FL.
When multiple people say they flat out refuse to do what you want because of how you're acting, then you need to change. All of them are not likely scum.
Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 3:25 pm
by MonkeyMan576
In post 5213, Dunnstral wrote:Everyone who we run up is either monk, mason, or town investigative, or some other power role
as much as everyone probably wants to kill him regardless of alignment ur just not helping by doing that because no one is going to actually rally to kill him lol
I'll hammer Toog in a moment.
Just promise me you read my communication messages.
Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 3:25 pm
by Ydrasse
like basically ur options are like
do you wanna send through toog who is acting ... a certain kind of way in the face of them basically knowing they werent hammered and being coy
or do you think theyre genuine
if you think theyre genuine find reasons to like. case someone.
bc the votes on fl feel stubborn and worthless without meat behind it
as much as everyone probably wants to kill him regardless of alignment ur just not helping by doing that because no one is going to actually rally to kill him lol
I'll hammer Toog in a moment.
Just promise me you read my communication messages.
i dont even think toog's at e-1 anymore it's like e-2 but i have read them
Posted: Wed May 04, 2022 3:26 pm
by Toogeloo
In post 5211, Ydrasse wrote:its the coy "i was town power... investigative" without claiming
If this were the case, I would have done it 4 hours ago.