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Post Post #525 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2009 10:25 am

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All right, but I'm trusting you on this, man. If the game's lost, it's on your head.

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Post Post #526 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2009 10:26 am

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BTW, active lurking is an incredible scumtell on most people. Scum have a large incentive to pay attention to the game, and a large disincentive to doing anything that might draw attention. The result of someone who's paying attention but trying not to draw attention is active lurking.
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Post Post #527 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2009 10:31 am

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Xylthixlm wrote:
Gorrad wrote:EBWOP: Didn't see the last post. Xyl, are you willing to bet the game on that tell?
Well, that, plus the fact that PhilyEc's posts since then have been very townish.
Question now is, is Gorrad blind, or are alternative motives driving this distrust towards PhilyEc.

To be honest I doubted SK would get this involved but it would go either way (active lurk or active). Gorrad, what have I done that seems something SK would do?
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Post Post #528 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2009 10:32 am

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Anyone want to say something to me before I'm hammered?
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Post Post #529 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2009 10:32 am

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You set up a one-two mislynch, which would put you at endgame.
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Post Post #530 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2009 10:33 am

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Gorrad wrote:All right, but I'm trusting you on this, man. If the game's lost, it's on your head.

Unvote, Vote: Gorrad
Who are you talking to and wtf, if you aint SK try and find SK. No ones sure on voting for you to begin with so why would you do it?
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Post Post #531 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2009 10:34 am

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I have no idea what Gorrad is thinking here.
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Post Post #532 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2009 10:34 am

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...I'm an idiot.

I thought that the two votes in the last voutcount were on me.

Unvote, Vote: Spoilum.
The only one on Xyl's list with a vote. I'm an idiot.
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Post Post #533 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2009 10:35 am

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I'd rather have one more "confirmed" before lynching.
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Post Post #534 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2009 10:35 am

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Gorrad wrote:Anyone want to say something to me before I'm hammered?
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You're at L-3 in a lynch requiring 4 votes. Far from being hammered. No one vote till we understand where this extremely poor judged vote is explained.
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Post Post #535 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2009 10:36 am

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see 532
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Post Post #536 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2009 10:36 am

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Oh okay? >_>

Kinda reckless voting, since you just wanna leap onto a wagon though <_<
Again, no vote until theres a claim and collective agreement to lynch.
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Post Post #537 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2009 10:37 am

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Not that I think Gorrad is faking but it's too suspicious that he does that just after I go on about how revealing mistakes can be.
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Post Post #538 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2009 1:15 pm

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Post Post #539 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2009 3:33 pm

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The following players are town IMO:

Xyl - duh
Phily - reasoned and rational arguments
Mafiaplayer - same reason as Xyl gave

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Gorrad wrote:I misphrased. Not posting but being present is a town tell. Active lurking is the phrase most use. It shows that someone is reading, but not caring enough to post.
What? No.

Reading without posting is "lurking". Posting frequently yet contributing nothing of value (or, as someone mentioned, posting so as not to draw attention) is "active lurking".
Gorrad wrote:Unvote, Vote: Spoilum. The only one on Xyl's list with a vote.
We're three weeks to the day from a deadline. Why so anxious to vote?

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Xyl wrote:Not that I think Gorrad is faking but it's too suspicious that he does that just after I go on about how revealing mistakes can be.
QFT.

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Why?

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Post Post #540 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2009 8:46 pm

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Basically this game ain't going nowhere until RBT and Qwints get more involved. RBT, if you aint gunna be posting more frequently I advise doing the most helpful thing you can by asking for a replacement. If you instead intend to help prove others to be scum then go right ahead.
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Post Post #541 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2009 8:49 pm

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FYI Gorrad, when I was first scum on this site, I lurked heavily, when I wasn't lurking I was active lurking and never contributed much. Scum don't see the game as town do and going into a town process becomes a very difficult thing to do as the game progresses, Qwints is lookin pretty suspicious at the moment due to the the little things hes done for today yet dissapeared right after. Theres definately less involvement and a change in behaviour, typical actions of an SK.
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Post Post #542 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2009 11:11 pm

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Here's a proposal: RB's and Xyl should agree on who to target before tonight. If they're not the sk, they've got a 1 in 3 shot at positively identifying the target. (Assuming role blocked serial killers can be tracked).

If xyl dies, we have one confirmed town (rb's target), giving us a 1 in 4 shot at the sk. If we missed that shot and lynched a non roleblocker, sk would have a difficult choice:

If he was a roleblocker, he could
1) kill confirmed townie - that would make it obvious one of the rb's was sk; LYLO coin flip
2) no kill - framing the non-confirmed townie during MYLO (this could lead to a stalemate as town could no lynch)
3) killing partner or non-confirmed townie is a guaranteed loss

If he was not a roleblocker, he would be blocked. MYLO indistinguishable from nk

If we lynched a role blocker on day 5 and he wasn't sk,

RB'er SK could
1) no kill - framing one of the two non-confirmed townies in MYLO
2) kill confirmed townie - he would have to confirm one of the remaining townies leading to LYLO coin flip

Vanilla SK could
1) be blocked (50% chance) - MYLO w/ 1 confirmed townie
2) kill confirmed townie - LYLO coin flip
3) kill roleblocker - LYLO coin flip
4) kill non-confirmed townie - LYLO coin flip

I'm not sure how to avoid a day 6, 4 person MYLO stalemate.

I'm also left wondering how to deal with a no kill tomorrow if Xyl can't tell between a player who doesn't target and a player who targets but is role blocked.

On another note, Gorrad's willingness for self-martydom was strange. And I was wrong about Spoilum.
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Post Post #543 (ISO) » Mon May 04, 2009 11:13 pm

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Also, anybody who has not claimed should roleclaim before the lynch. There's no time for the sk to kill you and it could provide additional means for confirming people. I really doubt one is out there, becuase that seems like we'd have the game won already.
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Post Post #544 (ISO) » Tue May 05, 2009 2:40 am

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qwints wrote:Also, anybody who has not claimed should roleclaim before the lynch. There's no time for the sk to kill you and it could provide additional means for confirming people. I really doubt one is out there, becuase that seems like we'd have the game won already.

Firstly, in your earlier post you make it sound like RB and Xyl are in a mason group together, similar to how I'm with MafiaPlayer, how do you know this? Or is this theory? Did I go as far as misunderstanding?

As for the post quoted, are you proposing a mass claim when more than half the town is unconfirmed?
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Post Post #545 (ISO) » Tue May 05, 2009 5:32 am

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1) No, I understand you and mafiaplayer are a pair and xyl and the dead townie were a pair.

2) Yes, sk kill has only 2 meaningful kills left and I doubt anyone unclaimed has a PR. If they did, the calculations would be different for town but not that different for the sk.
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Post Post #546 (ISO) » Tue May 05, 2009 5:35 am

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Aha!

qwints is making this unnecessarily complicated.

Start by assuming that Mafiaplayer and PhilyEc are confirmed town. (If either one isn't town, we lose under this plan. But I'm pretty confident on PhilyEc here.)

Here's the plan:
We lynch someone other than me, PhilyEc, or Mafiaplayer.
The RBs target someone not in that group (anyone will do).
I target someone not in that group (anyone will do).

Come day, there's 2 possibilities: there was a kill, or there wasn't a kill.
If there was a kill, the RBs' target is confirmed town. We now have three confirmed town (two surviving from today, plus the RBs' target) in 5 players. Lynch the remaining two players, town wins.
If there wasn't a kill, we don't learn anything.... but all of our confirmed players are still alive, so we have 3 confirmed in 6 players. We lynch and have the RBs target someone again. If there's a kill we go to 3 confirmed in 4 players; if there's no kill we go to 3 confirmed in 5 players. Either way is a town win.

Note that my result is totally unnecessary for the above plan to work. I can accidentally target the same player as the RBs no problem.

So, the key here is the assumption that MafiaSSK wouldn't recruit Mafiaplayer. Shall we bet the game on it?
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Post Post #547 (ISO) » Tue May 05, 2009 5:57 am

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I just realized that there's no way my proposal would work anyway. Anybody called out in thread would just no kill if they were going to be targeted. Actually, you can pretty much disregard that whole post as me posting during a short break during an all-nighter.

I acknowledge that if we assume the claimed masons are town, then we have a winning strategy regardless of sk's actions.
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Post Post #548 (ISO) » Tue May 05, 2009 9:33 am

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Mafiaplayer wrote:Oh my god I just thought of something.
Isn't it possible that the new SK ISN'T a mason with someone, since picking a mason seemed like what he was going to do?
Mafiaplayer, can you explain why you assumed the SK would be a mason?
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Post Post #549 (ISO) » Tue May 05, 2009 10:02 am

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qwints wrote:I just realized that there's no way my proposal would work anyway. Anybody called out in thread would just no kill if they were going to be targeted. Actually, you can pretty much disregard that whole post as me posting during a short break during an all-nighter.

I acknowledge that if we assume the claimed masons are town, then we have a winning strategy regardless of sk's actions.
Getting strong town reads here. Gorrad or Spoilum are really the ways to go but I'm only saying Spoilum because I've a feeling hes playing a blinder at the moment, that and he's not getting very involved like he did in Day One.

I'd be happy with a Gorrad lynch for today.
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