Objection Redux - It's all over bar the shouting!

[Fate]

Right, townies shouldn't defend themselves, I forgot. My bad. /sarcasm.

So I'm being accused of...
1. Gathering info
2. Voting scum
3. defending myself.

:\ Yeah, I have trouble believing the case on me is solid

LOL.

JUST. LOL.

I PRESENT TO YOU THE STRAWMAN DEFENSE LADIES AND VIGS

[Faraday]

Vote count 2.7

Ellibereth (2)

GammaGooey, Jahudo

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magnus_orion (5)

Fate, AlmasterGM, Vezokpiraka, SpyreX, Sociopath

AlmasterGM (1)

DTMaster

SpyreX (1)

UncertainKitten

Not voting (2):

Ellibereth, magnus_orion

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline's 17th of December at 3pm GMT.

[magnus_orion]

Please note that sociopath didn't explain what I asked last time.
I think sociopath is scum.

Preview edit: K, then I have no idea what Fate is trying to accuse me of.

[Fate]

YOU THINK? YOU FUCKIN THINK?

ITS VCLAIMING TIME SCUMBAG.

I'M ACCUSING YOU OF OVERSIMPLIFYING THE CASE ON YOURSELF AND TWOSTING IT TO MAKE IT SEEM WEQAKER. AKA STRAWMAN

IIM ALSO U AVCCUSING U OF BEING OBVSCUM WHO'S CRYINH ABOLUT BBEING CAUGHT

[Fate]

I DON'T WANT TO HEAR /DERP NOONES CLAIMED HAMMAR NO CLAIMMM/ EITHER CUZ ELLIE WILL HAMMER YOU

[magnus_orion]

no I mean before accusing me of the strongman, of course.
If your case is OMG OBVSCUM then there's really no room to contest that, which is probably the point, seeing as how I've debunked all your rational arguments.

Fine, I'll claim, I don't mind:
I'm Miles Edgeworth,
I'm a Town Reporter, which means I can target someone and find out if they used an active ability last night.
I targeted DTM last night and they did not use an active ability.

[Fate]

HmmmmMmmmMMMMMMMmmmMMmM


Oh wait. DRPPP

SCUMREPORTER KNEW TOWN ZITOS PLAY WAS OFF AND CHE@CKED HIM FOR PRS.

WHY THE FUCK WOULD TOWNMANGO CHECK ZTo as loppose dto,,, idk,,, FUCKIN RHINNOX??

[Fate]

A conditional read based on VV being TOWN. Why the fuck would you spin your read THHAT WAY IF YOU THINK VV IS SCUM AS PER YOUR OWN DAMN READS?

You first thought was agm is town if vv is, NOT agm is vvs scumbuddy making leaps of faith.

WHICH IMPLIES YOU KNOW VV IS FUCKIN FLIPPIN TOWN AND YOU DON'T GENIUNE?Y SUSPECT HIM

THIS IS STILL VALID AS I EXPECTED MANGO KNEW VV WAS TOWN AND GAVE AGM A TOWN READ BASED OFF THAT.


AGMS CONFIRMED TOWN

[magnus_orion]

Cause I was fairly certain of rhinox-scum. I figured I could get him lynched today. If I checked PZ I might find additional scum.

[magnus_orion]

A conditional read based on VV being TOWN. Why the fuck would you spin your read THHAT WAY IF YOU THINK VV IS SCUM AS PER YOUR OWN DAMN READS?

You first thought was agm is town if vv is, NOT agm is vvs scumbuddy making leaps of faith.

WHICH IMPLIES YOU KNOW VV IS FUCKIN FLIPPIN TOWN AND YOU DON'T GENIUNE?Y SUSPECT HIM

THIS IS STILL VALID AS I EXPECTED MANGO KNEW VV WAS TOWN AND GAVE AGM A TOWN READ BASED OFF THAT.


AGMS CONFIRMED TOWN

heh. You give me too much credit, I'm not that good at identifying if someone is town. But thanks.

[Fate]

YOU ARE IF YOU'RE SCUM. I'M NOT GIVINGF U KACL SHIT CREDIT.

YOU SAID U THOUGHT VV QWAS DEATH WORTHY and not worth defending.

YOU THEN SAID IF VV FLIPS TOWN AGM IS TOWN.

THERE'S SOMETHING OFF IN THSE TWON SENTENCES

[Fate]

Oh and you THOUGHT you could get rhinox lynched today???

1. Yoour role would confirm/out him if he was run up todday, aka still. A good choice
2. Ur role doesn't catch scums unless run up...
3. Ou thought u could get him lynched today??? WHY COULDN'T U GET HIM LYNCHED YESTERSAYA? CUZ IU WEREN'T EVEN TRYINH. NOT EVEN AFTER HECAME BACK FROM VLA

[magnus_orion]

YOU ARE IF YOU'RE SCUM. I'M NOT GIVINGF U KACL SHIT CREDIT.

YOU SAID U THOUGHT VV QWAS DEATH WORTHY and not worth defending.

YOU THEN SAID IF VV FLIPS TOWN AGM IS TOWN.

THERE'S SOMETHING OFF IN THSE TWON SENTENCES

why?

Oh and you THOUGHT you could get rhinox lynched today???

1. Yoour role would confirm/out him if he was run up todday, aka still. A good choice
2. Ur role doesn't catch scums unless run up...
3. Ou thought u could get him lynched today??? WHY COULDN'T U GET HIM LYNCHED YESTERSAYA? CUZ IU WEREN'T EVEN TRYINH. NOT EVEN AFTER HECAME BACK FROM VLA

Hmm, you tell me, why couldn't I get him lynched yesterday? Perhaps its because of the mislynch you were pushing with all your might? The whole, "I don't care why as along as they vote the same person as me" attitude you seem to have? 'Sides, there was time to run him up tomorrow, and I thought the possibility that VV was scum existed, so it was worth seeing where that went. In hindsight, yeah, it woulda been better to have opposed VV's lynch, but from my perspective prior VV-scum was a real possibility.

[Ellibereth]

Ugh dammnit I'm forgetting how to play this game...
OK.
My whole thing with Jah was that if he really thought there was scum in that bracket area, he would be left with Mango, UK, and vezok. And he thinks vezok is town so narrowing down would be ....a wait.

I still don't care about this. For all I know you are a VT and trying to pull some gambit.

Vezok's role is confirmable easy enough,

egah? I was just scanning iso but let me check context...
Ah shit nevermind, first one was talking about Spy. Ignore that.

ANYWAY, since he said he has vezok as town I thought obvious next step would be parsing magnus/UK but he didn't do that...

though I can swiing ellie for that jahundo linkrhinox

ehwhat?
FATE IMA SORRY...I CAN'T JUST LURK THROUGH THE GAME AS TOWN AND IT'S NOT LIKE LEARNING TO RIDE A BIIIIKE.

[Ellibereth]

ugh I didn't read yesterday very carefully...
Mag, how were you planning on getting Rhino lynched TODAY. Like...pretend he didn't die at night. What would you have done and stuff?
I really don't get the whole NOT investigating top-suspect with that ability....because you don't catch scum with it anyway. You wouldn't have been able to use whatever result on PZ until post-RHino dead right>?

[Ellibereth]

But I don't get fate's stuff pre-mango claim as to why he was scummy.
(I'll try reading your CRAZYPOSTS again when i don't have a headache and blurring eyes...)

[Ellibereth]

Oh I get Jah a bit more now.
He had 1 of the two lurkerish that Rhino called town...
BUT I think scum in the big group is more accurate anyway (since it probably is, but I'm saying this without DT being almost deftown and stuff), since scum calling a few town -> town early for vague reasons you can change mind on later is populaaaaaaar. And makes you look nice in the flip. Like the sticking your buddy in your group.

Ugh I might not be making any sense....going to sleep.

[Ellibereth]

and aaaaaa one more thing, spyspy is town town now so Jah, socio, mag, and gamma left.
(also don't get the fate calling him scum part yet...will try to figure that out soon to.)

NOW I'M GONE.

[magnus_orion]

Mag, how were you planning on getting Rhino lynched TODAY. Like...pretend he didn't die at night. What would you have done and stuff?

um... attacked him...
I guess maybe I put too much faith in the town's ability to make the right decisions? IDK, I just sorta figured it would be easy, since he seemed so obvscum to me.

I really don't get the whole NOT investigating top-suspect with that ability....because you don't catch scum with it anyway. You wouldn't have been able to use whatever result on PZ until post-RHino dead right>?

Yeah, I guess. I didn't really put a lot of thought into the decision, cause I figured it wasn't a particularly useful power anyway.

[SocioPath]

my only option to push a rhinox wagon would be to defend VV, hence the dilemma

Nice false dilemma.
A more accurate and appealing thing there though would be: that the only logical option would be to construct a better case on Rhino, and hope people see the light.
Meaning make a BETTER case on those that are more likely scum.

No one ever has to defend anyone, just attack others and make that better than what is out there.
Hell, I rarely even defend MYSELF, and I somehow manage, even with the wind in my face.

But no, its not like that is it.
And your playstyle this game is a complete assbackwards of what I've ever seen before coming from you.
Of course, I've never seen a game where you were mafia with scum buddies either.


I'd throw my vote on mags at this point.
This posting without saying anything is ridiculous coming from him.
He is way more competent than this.

[magnus_orion]

@sociopath: I was asking you to explain your reasoning back there, not defend yourself. Why aren't you explaining? You replied with nonsense, then told me my reply to that was missing the point and then dropped the entire conversation altogether.
I really don't understand what you're trying to get at with that quote. Could you explain this as well? I mean, I'd respond, except I'd probably miss the point entirely, yeah?

[SocioPath]

Mag, how were you planning on getting Rhino lynched TODAY. Like...pretend he didn't die at night. What would you have done and stuff?

um... attacked him...
I guess maybe I put too much faith in the town's ability to make the right decisions? IDK, I just sorta figured it would be easy, since he seemed so obvscum to me.

my only option to push a rhinox wagon would be to defend VV, hence the dilemma

[magnus_orion]

yeah, now the giant VV thing fate's attack created out of the way it'd be a lot easier.

[magnus_orion]

oh, right

I was asking you to explain your reasoning back there, not defend yourself. Why aren't you explaining? You replied with nonsense, then told me my reply to that was missing the point and then dropped the entire conversation altogether.

EXPLAIN

@vezok: yeah its been about 29 hours since this:

I will give my reads in a few minutes

[magnus_orion]

oh, yeah, and:

I was asking you to explain your reasoning back there, not defend yourself. Why aren't you explaining? You replied with nonsense, then told me my reply to that was missing the point and then dropped the entire conversation altogether.

EXPLAIN

@vezok: yeah its been about 29 hours since this:

I will give my reads in a few minutes