I am extremely tired. I'm going to sleep now. I'm not sure If I'll be back before deadline but I'll try.
Tierce wrote:The hell? You say my posts have no town motivation, I say they have, and you're asking me to prove how I'm town? You do realize I can't do that without posting my role PM/claiming masons with someone, right? No, YOU have terrible reasoning; you say my posts have no town motivation, then show where you think they are lacking it, don't ask me to prove otherwise.
That is exactly my point, you can't prove it. Which is why you can't use "I know I'm town so my posts have town motivation" as a defence.
Tierce wrote:Pushing her when we're close to deadline, while not shifting from a wagon that I believe will hit scum. FoSes are minor signs of suspicion.
I know what an FoS is. But it is usually use to indicate to other players that you find this person suspicious. I don't understand how it can be used to push her.
Tierce wrote:No, it's not scummy. I'm refusing to fullclaim because at this stage I would really, really rather not fullclaim. It brings no benefit for the town if I out my role now, and a lot of benefit to scum. My role name can be confirmed via any name/flavor cop, so there is interest in doing a partial claim and say I have a PR because it would be really stupid to get lynched over a scummy, survivalistic, claimed VT on D1, if I say so myself.
Like I said, I agree that you shouldn't claim now. But if you get to L-1, claiming reveals the same information as lynching you and it should benefit the town much more.
Tierce wrote:Or you could drop the wagon, let me do my job, do your own and everyone will be one big happy town family. Lynching jason would be a good start.
Except I think that jason is town and you could still be scum trying to avoid being lynched.
Tierce wrote:So... what exactly is there for me to address here?
Nothing? It was to Korlash, not you.
Korlash wrote:Self preservation is that you care more about 'finding out' why I think you are scum than you do about hunting for scum. Whenever a majority of your posts seem to be revolving around defense instead of scum hunting, you thusly appear to be in a self preservation mode.
Ok, that may be true then. Althugh I consider something it to be self preservation when I put my own interests above that of the town which I don't think I'm doing.
Korlash wrote:I never made a case nor implied I had any intent of making one yet you jump to this conclusion? you aren't feeling guilty are you?
We may have two different definitions for "case". I mean your reasoning for why you think I'm scum.
Korlash wrote:Deadline matters because you are spending your time waiting for someone to tell you their case while you focus on defense instead of working on making your own case. The whole "i'll be here before deadline, so don't worry' excuse only works when you spend that time MAKING A CASE so your decision is as accurate as possible.
I think I alread made a case against Tierce.
Korlash wrote:So you admit his vote/reasons make no sense... and you vote with him? Sweet...
NO. Where do you get this? the whole reason why I was asking was because there are reasons but I just don't know what they are. I never once claimed that there was no reasons.
Korlash wrote:Your posts include "someone tell me the case of the person I should be voting" and "/defend myself against non attacks". You have done virtually nothing to find scum or make your own case/decision. That is just sitting there two weeks from deadline, two days from it is unacceptable. If you didn't want to vote, fine. But you still need to show that you're TRYING to figure out who to vote and you had and still have barely done anything of the sort.
No. The only thing that I've done that can be misconstrued to that is asking what the case on him is and the reasons for why I did this, I have repeated but you still ignore.
Korlash wrote:1. Well seeing as how you're voting her and want her lynched, I don't see why L-x would make any difference. Do you not want her lynched? If you do, why the fuck wouldn't you want her to claim asap to give us the most time before deadline to check into it?
2. Did you ever continue to follow through with the FoS thing after the 2nd post of yours?
3. So the answer is no... You spent more posts asking for a case on Teirce than you did trying to make your own. Got it.
1. That is a good point but no matter how much I think he is scum, there is always the possibility that he is town. In which case, what he is saying could be true and could be devestating for the town. I only want him to claim if the only other possibility is his death. If he doesn't get to l-1 and he's town then tommorow or whenever he is at L-1 or claims, it won't be as devestating for the town and if he is scum then he'll still be lynched. it would be better if he was lynched today but at least he would be lynched,
2. Yes I did. it's the second quote in this post.
Korlash wrote:Just saw this in Teirce's post. What the fuck is your problem? Explain to me how you can prove her actions don't have town motivation? You can't PROVE either, it's fucking impossible because hypothetical can be made to suggest both.
What the fuck is this, your vote is so shit...
Obviously, I can't prove it. It is my opinion that her posts don't have any town motivation. She's using that as her defense.