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continuing.

409 is syrscum

414 looks fake as hell. 'oh that was you?' O RLY, it's not like I've hinted something at you for the entire game.

hmm. post 430 has a point. my role is confirmable, so UT's stance does look odd in response to my claim. guess that molla will not be my vote for tday.

wtf is post 432 for

same with 434

see how all these stupid stuff come from the same people

post 439 is good by serra (who is town too btw I forgot to mention earlier) but why scum can't be normal inventors? it's just half broken cuz they'll give themselves abilities, but other than that I can't see why it can't be. it's like something between a goon and a power mafia.

444 vand 446 are stupid. yeah, we get that, stop saying that, just check the damn pm. why the holdup for three posts with hours between them?

Ah Tierce, welcome. good starting post

472 seems genuine. damn you voided.

this means

. will also lynch Syry, and IGMEOY: voided, molla.


oh wow, Syry's post is actually really realy good, and molla actually mgiht be jester if parama is somehow town. everything points to a parama lynch

don't know what to think on syry.

damn you tierce with 482 I'm confuzzled

wtf with 495.
Guys, what if Parama is actually a jester? I mean, he was the first to bring up the possibility of Jester, and he quickhammered, and lurked and played idiotically, and now is not fighting anyone and is voting self like a moron...so what if? O_o maybe it's a psychological gambit? nah I'm not deleting my vote

lolwut @512. you refuse to believe molla/para team, and therefore, you think I'm scum with syry? xD wut? and why third party?

kay so in general:
we should lynch parama. if we don't lose, that'll be a huge fountain of information. other scumreads are: Voided, Molla, Syry. syry will be my top suspect if parama flips town; molla if parama flips scum. Voided will in both cases be the second.

Parama, since you're voting yourself, how bout you unvote or claim?

Nah.

Could you explain something for me? You opened up today voting for shos back in #201 with no explanation. I'm guessing that you felt the reason was obvious and no explanation was needed. However, just a few days later, part of your case on Parama (#243) was "his insistence that shos is mafia". This is a point that you actually were agreeing with. Why is Parama scummy for believing that Shos is scum, when you were also thinking that Shos is scum?

Rufflig:
If Syr isn't bleedingly obvious mafia at this point to you
Please replace out

Given his last two posts by shos, I'm more inclined to believe he's town. I don't think the normal inventor role exists for scum, shos. It should say which alignments your role can be in your role PM.



From Syr trying to tie BB and Para together as a scumteam, I get the impression he's scum with one of them and wants to ensure a mislynch when his scumbuddy gets lynched. The same could sort of apply to shos, as well, but I think Syr is scummier on his own.

With Rufflig's reply to Tierce's comment about how obvtown he is, I sort of got the vibe he's third party who is playing a town game. I don't often see town replying to comments about how town they look.

Para, you should probably claim.

I think we could learn a lot by lynching Para, but the selfvote worries me... I'm still not sure whether it's a ballsy gambit or whether he actually is town trying to move the game forward. I highly doubt he's a jester, as shos suggested.

I'll give more detailed reads later today or tomorrow.

It exists as mafia-ally.
Further am I waiting on Serra's real reads. (not based on posts from just the last pages)

In post 512, serrapaladin wrote:

In post 478, Syryana wrote:Pushing a policy lynch? On

page 1

? This is pretty transparently bad play. Possible jester? I originally thought so. Now we have two possible jesters, both on page 1. Interesting.

Yeah, because using policy as an RVS reason is just "transparently bad".

Both Syr and shos are pushing BB/Para as scum together. My guess is, it's Syr, shos and either BB or Para (probably the latter). I refuse to believe a BB/Para pairing.

Speaking of transparently bad, you do realize Molla continued to push that policy lynch until well after RVS? You did actually read my post, right?

In post 512, serrapaladin wrote:

In post 494, The Rufflig wrote:Welcome, Tierce.

Damn it, Tierce. I've been trying to tone down my towniness so I could make it further into the games more often. Looks like I'm still a fairly easy alignment read, though. Oh well.

So this guy is third party? I doubt he's scum, but third party sounds about right.

Wat?

In post 530, The Rufflig wrote:

@syryana:

Could you explain something for me? You opened up today voting for shos back in #201 with no explanation. I'm guessing that you felt the reason was obvious and no explanation was needed. However, just a few days later, part of your case on Parama (#243) was "his insistence that shos is mafia". This is a point that you actually were agreeing with. Why is Parama scummy for believing that Shos is scum, when you were also thinking that Shos is scum?

I don't think Parama is scummy for finding shos scum (granted, you can't tell that from my #243, since I was being ungodly apathetic at the time), I thought Parama was scum because of he thought shos was scum. If you go look at that behemoth called #149, you'll notice that he calls shos scum for taking the bulletproof claim literally(essentially a meta read, mildly ironic) and confbiases him from thereon out.

serrapaladin wrote:Given his last two posts by shos, I'm more inclined to believe he's town. I don't think the normal inventor role exists for scum, shos. It should say which alignments your role can be in your role PM.

!unvote

From Syr trying to tie BB and Para together as a scumteam, I get the impression he's scum with one of them and wants to ensure a mislynch when his scumbuddy gets lynched. The same could sort of apply to shos, as well, but I think Syr is scummier on his own.

With Rufflig's reply to Tierce's comment about how obvtown he is, I sort of got the vibe he's third party who is playing a town game. I don't often see town replying to comments about how town they look.

Para, you should probably claim.

I think we could learn a lot by lynching Para, but the selfvote worries me... I'm still not sure whether it's a ballsy gambit or whether he actually is town trying to move the game forward. I highly doubt he's a jester, as shos suggested.

I'll give more detailed reads later today or tomorrow.

Serra, you played so much better than this in the last game I played with you. This whole post is filler and fencesitting, with the sole exception of "Rufflig is third party because I've never seen town comment on how town they are".

Parama, you should claim.

No comment at all about Parama calling you "bleedingly obvious scum", Syr?

Nope.

well then I'm calling hammer ahoy.

I loooove how you're acting like you're in charge <3

Syr, are you honestly calling a post that calls you scum with either Para or BB fencesitting?

I am honestly unsure about what the hell Para is doing, but given he's at L-1 and refuses to claim or unvote himself, I'd be tempted to hammer.

I'll give in-depth reads first, when I find some time, though. I really don't know why PimHel is calling be out on that so much more than for example Voided or BB, but I'm happy to oblige.

In post 541, serrapaladin wrote:Syr, are you honestly calling a post that calls you scum with either Para or BB fencesitting?

Dat not fencesitting, dat's filler, since you done said dat already before in same words (#512).

Got distracted. Post tonight, pinky promise.

BB, where are posts?

Haven't had the time (well, mostly the patience) to hash out things in full. Pim--stuff about Syryana et al will have to wait, as I really don't think that's an optimal lynch for Today. (Halfway through this post I was reminded you wanted stuff on serra, so let's see if I still have a brain for it when I'm done, otherwise later... today. My sleep schedule is nonexistent.)

On Parama: that self-vote really doesn't benefit him or anyone if he's Town. Self-votes are always things that benefit scum. They stall the game out, make people wary, make people step back and freeze in indecision. What has Parama done with that self-vote that benefits Town? Has he analyzed his wagon and the reactions to his self-vote, and tried to scumhunt through it? No. The only thing the self-vote did was instill doubt in the rest of the players. It's scum motivation, not Town intent.

Look at the post rate, look at how it has been decreasing over D2. It's apathy, and apathy kills Towns. He just needs to wait for the focus to fall on someone else. I didn't let that happen with Grey in Dresdenafia, I'm not about to let it happen here.

A quick aside on the Jester issue: Frankly, I don't give a rat's arse if he's actually a Jester. (He's not.) Jesters are roles that punish Town for doing what they are supposed to do: find scum and lynch them. I will lynch every singly claimed or faked Jester outside an Open Jester setup. If the game actually has one, I'll be happy to get out of such a game. Worst Role Mafia was bad enough in terms of bastardry, and I replaced in knowing this could be unbalanced, but it's the kind of thing that I'll just deal with through lynching and . tl;dr: Don't give a damn about Jester claims/soft-claims/any such crap, just lynch it.

Now--Parama has no issues with people using meta, as long as it is actually a decent analysis. In this game, he called my read on him "trash" because it was partially based on meta. The implication is that he's more interested in discrediting the read altogether than in dismantling it. He knows his play is 'uneven', but calling out meta as "trash" doesn't make sense for someone who is aware well-sourced meta reads exist and nail scum/Town.

As Town, Parama cares about the wrong person not getting lynched. However, in this game, he is voting himself with no regard for the consequences other than "lel there is scum in my wagon".

Compare the previous links (Town) to Parama's play here. While, in Rarefaction II, he was calling himself lazy and saying he was bored, there is a distinct sense of scumhunting that vanishes very quickly from Micro 73. As scum, Parama gets genuinely . (Don't I know the feeling...) He doesn't have anything to do other than fool the Town, and he gets apathetic and resorts to trolling with the occasional :eeeeeffort oh christ this is HARD: post.

Look at this Town game, too. Look at that effort post on #83; it has actual analysis, especially on that bit to TML about thezmon. Contrast with #109 and #252 in this game, and the lack of scumhunting in his ISO in favor of pointless trolling.


I actually tried this ISO for kicks without looking at the flips and misread him. >.> Uhm. Got a correct if trembling read on this one. By the way, the moment he did this, I was reminded of Reck in the aforementioned Destiny Mafia and got the right scumread~


...I am starting to derail a lot in this analysis, and I think it's due to the hour. We don't have a deadline, and I might as well make sure I get things right tomorrow. I'll use the evening to test my meta read on him further (because hey, that's not ^.^;) and see what final conclusions I come up with. I also see that complaint that I haven't explained why his posts are bad (i.e. scummy), so have to do that too.

Spare me the work and hammer? That'd be a kindness.


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shos's posts above me don't have a lot of scumhunting, but I think it's more that he doesn't know how to properly scumhunt than something coming from a scum PoV. For now, I have a few things to say to the god of Death, and one of them is "bed".

in your post you agreed that my play is uneven
uneven play is true of pretty much everyone
thus pinning down their play to being the same every game is a fallacy

your own meta-argument discredits itself.

In post 545, Parama wrote:thus pinning down their play to being the same every game is a fallacy

I am not doing so. This does not mean there aren't patterns and trends of behavior and motivation to look for in your play.

@Serra
You seriously don't know? First of, Molla is a townread and though weaker, so is Voided. Secondly, remember that I called your reads fake?

And Tierce, I'm not impressed at all.
Self-voting is anti-town. It's not scummy and it's not giving townpoints. You trying to point to one thing (it being scummy) is bad. Sure, he hasn't analysed the wagon or whatsoever, but I get a 'not interested' read from Parama due to it.

The point about apathy is the worst from all. We had a situation in which a player was barely posting and something came up which was heavily attacked by him. That 'something' was Shos claim (I know you're implying something else, but this counts as well). And guess what. It wasn't Parama who took advantage out of it. It was one of your town-reads: Untrod.

Also, Parama has something against meta and your link shows that. A player called him a troll due to one game. I can understand why that's annoying. Just look a few posts up. See?

As what I get from your links, I see not-scum-bored Parama and his huge post after his Varsoon-hammer looks like the town-effort post you showed with one of your links.


So Parama, Tierce has shown me that you are town as well. Can we now lynch Untrod?

In post 543, Tierce wrote:BB, where are your posts?

I reread, made a post, was happy with it.

But you make a good point.

What would you like to know?

Yo Parama claim