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In post 517, AngryPidgeon wrote:You do realize this game is nightless.

Wtf, seriously?

I need to do a full reread of the front page this is ridiculous, brb.

Grrr

In post 482, Grimgroove wrote:@pirate_mollie: I feel we're starting to understand each other, but you still did not answer my question that I want answered most. Now that I'm starting to townread you it seems less relevant, but I want this thing covered nonetheless. Truth can be found in the smallest of things.

If I have any sticky read to speak of, it is because you never addressed the original reason why I find the explanation of the initial fluff you posted in a satisfactory way.

Let me re-iterate:

You have stated you post fluff for several reasons:

1. You sometimes use it as a strategy. (you didn't make it clear if that's what you were doing here, nor what the results of that strategy were)
2. You were waiting for your read on Majiffy.

I have tried discussing point 2 with you plenty of times but never got a straight answer. You explained why it is important for you to get a read on Majiffy (which I understand), but you didn't say why this automatically means that you can't get into the game before he arrives.

I don't know how to put this in any clearer way, aside from the bus metaphor. Is my question clear though?

I was in the game and I even said what I was loosely doing but sorting majiffy was a priority.

I was in the game.

I told you I interacted with ap and he did not seem nervous or weird with his interactions with me. wis raised my hackles a bit. that is what I got out of my "fluff posting". all of this is in this thread.

I swear people don't read my fucking posts ever.

anyways I was hoping to talk to majiffy last night who will be mia until possibly tomorrow. BUT. he texted me and asked about the reactions and I told him that amrun voted him and then coug and his next response was "coug is scum" which is where I was at.

majiffy thinks amrun voted him out of spite and he said to tell you amrun to get your head out of your ass (his words not mine). he also said to think about the situ logically.

he also thinks that the dealio with grim is a playstyle issue.

xpost: ap wtf, that was directed to amrun not you

In post 499, Grimgroove wrote:On the first page AngryPidgeon seemed to imply this is a game-steering trio, so it could have been all the support Majiffy thought to be needing for a succesful lynch.

That was a joke. This is some REALLY horrifying justification for Amrun's point.

Amrun's point that Majiffy expected a nice quick ML on Grim with no questions asked. Which as Wisdom points out, there really was not THAT much support for.

And even if it did go through, its freaking NIGHTLESS MOUNTAINOUS. Do you still think Majiffy would risk taking a super easy ML and not worry about potential backlash from looking anti-town and aggressively MLing someone in a game like this?

In post 524, AngryPidgeon wrote:

In post 478, Grimgroove wrote:but I don't like the way you're presenting yourself as my knight in shining armor coming to my rescue. The "blood of righteousness"-comment really made it look like that, and it comes eerily close to buddying.

Distance from Amrun all you want. I will remain steadfast.

An associative lean will always be self-reinforcing as long as you believe in it.
Care to provide other examples of connections between me and Amrun?

In post 479, Grimgroove wrote:Does Nobody Special know he is participating in this game?

Who cares, hes a lurksack and hes not lynchable atm. This is a prime example of someone doing something to appear pro-town that actually has no motivation behind it.

This is really REALLY obvious guys.

Oh, so everyone who is not in the lynchpool right now is absolved of criticism and activity. Sure, I can see how that would work for you.
Why put things in the perspective of "lynchable" - "non-lynchable"?

My motivation behind it should be obvious: to get as many people as possible involved so they can weigh in on the situation and eventual choice. I'm pretty confident that the more people read what's going on, the better it will be for me personally and for town generally.

@AP
Here's a question I feel really, really stupid asking:
Could you explain the word posture?

I've seen people use it on this site in different ways. Someone once said I was "posturing" on a wagon, but I'm not sure if you're asking for my read on SC or are being sarcastic.

In post 528, AngryPidgeon wrote:

In post 499, Grimgroove wrote:On the first page AngryPidgeon seemed to imply this is a game-steering trio, so it could have been all the support Majiffy thought to be needing for a succesful lynch.

That was a joke. This is some REALLY horrifying justification for Amrun's point.

Amrun's point that Majiffy expected a nice quick ML on Grim with no questions asked. Which as Wisdom points out, there really was not THAT much support for.

And even if it did go through, its freaking NIGHTLESS MOUNTAINOUS. Do you still think Majiffy would risk taking a super easy ML and not worry about potential backlash from looking anti-town and aggressively MLing someone in a game like this?

Post 478, starting from second paragraph. You've seen that post, you even quoted a segment of it that suited your "case".
Does that look like I'm defending Amrun's stance? No.
I did try to see merit in it. And there was. Even if it was a joke, the joke made clear that 1. there's something that connects the three of you meta-wise, 2. the three of you are active (and thus potentially townleaders, those two go hand-in-hand).

This is not as horryfying as you're trying to make it look.

@pirate_mollie: That sorts things out from my end. I guess you can call yourself a pretty universal townread by now.

In post 483, Amrun wrote:Mollie, did Majiffy tell you he was going to challenge before he did it?

She already addressed this. But pretending to not read clearly makes you scum. And really I know someone who was raging and omgusy about the challenge would definitely remember reading that tidbit.

But you are pretending that Majiffy was a scumread all along now, so.

In post 486, Amrun wrote:I think he expected his lovely newbie wagon just to fall into place. I find him scummy for it.

Ok, first time you've been willing to say Majiffy is likely scum.

And really? Rushing out the gates with a challenge is more likely from town for obvious reasons.

I would argue he may do it as scum BECAUSE its such a strong town tell.

In post 521, Amrun wrote:I have explained it, and quite thoroughly -- not in those posts, but in others which you are pretending to have read but have not.

Rofl. Yes Majiffy is scummy for organizing a lynch on Grim which has no notable support. Just handwave that away after Wisdom points it out. And the fact that Majiffy is likely trading himself for a townie at BEST in that hypothetical scenario. Totally makes sense for him to be doing that as scum. And you explained it ONCE. Thats IT. Everything else is QQ about Majiffy ruining your game which is obviously bullshit in light of your other posting.

In post 510, Amrun wrote:Grim, yes, I now have a town read on you. Have for quite some time. Thought that was obvious.

This was not obvious at all.

@Grim: Burden of proof, fuck that. You are both individually scummy.

Window edit: BUT YOU WERE DEFENDING AMRUN's STANCE. YOU WERE TELLING WISDOM THAT THERE WAS CREDIBLE REASON TO BELIEVE AMRUN'S THEORY RIGHT HERE:

In post 499, Grimgroove wrote:

In post 494, Wisdom wrote:He didn't.
And Majiffy cannot read your QT.
Therefore, no. There were no suspicions on Grimgroove for Majiffy to count on.

AngryPidgeon did.
And pirate_mollie didn't seem to like me very much, Majiffy confirmed they were talking about me in their QT.

On the first page AngryPidgeon seemed to imply this is a game-steering trio, so it could have been all the support Majiffy thought to be needing for a succesful lynch.

Which is so only barely peripherally relevant anyways. You are defending Amrun here lightly and now saying you weren't. WTF were you doing if not saying that Amrun's hocus-pocus had merit when she was in the process of just handwaving away Wisdom's point?

Amrun made ONE point for why Majiffy might be scum. It was incredibly farfetch'd to begin with and after loads of calling all 4 players null and pretending to rage at/omgus Majiffy.

But that looks bad so shes changing her story up and finding reason to suspect him after having established that he was just getting voted for being an ass originally.

Its super fake and Amrun needs to go tomorrow.

Right and the singular point gets immediately questioned by Wisdom and Amrun BACKPEDALS ON IT AND ABSOLVES RESPONSIBILITY ON IT IMMEDIATELY. HER ONE POINT. ONE POINT. But no, just let her tell you she thinks Majiffy is scum and has obviously thought so since voting him.

Yeah, you're not even trying to see a different point of view in this matter, are you? I don't think a challenge on you will be evitable in the next stage. If I were you and you are, against all odds, town, I'd get my cases shaped up and think about what lies ahead.

In post 495, Amrun wrote:Hmm.

Well, I will check that when I have a few brain cells to rub together.

Amrun renouncing responsibility of she has had to say about Majiffy actually being scum ON A DIME. ^

You can't have your AtE and eat it too Amrun.

P-edit: Fighting words. Don't worry, Amrun is going before you.

In post 536, Grimgroove wrote:Yeah, you're not even trying to see a different point of view in this matter, are you? I don't think a challenge on you will be evitable in the next stage. If I were you and you are, against all odds, town, I'd get my cases shaped up and think about what lies ahead.

Then explain it to me. Because I'm explaining exactly what clearly happened in the train of events - You responding to Wisdom to provide incredibly peripheral evidence (Me/Majiffy/Mollie having meta on each other) to suggest that Amrun may be right about Majiffy expecting us to all line up and lynch YOU.

Which is even more bullshit because you think that 50% of those people are scum in the first place.

Did you ever say what your Majiffy read is?

In post 537, AngryPidgeon wrote:

In post 495, Amrun wrote:Hmm.

Well, I will check that when I have a few brain cells to rub together.

Amrun renouncing responsibility of

the only thing

she has had to say about Majiffy actually being scum ON A DIME. ^

You can't have your AtE and eat it too Amrun.

P-edit: Fighting words. Don't worry, Amrun is going before you.

Ok Grim lets pretend each other are town and talk for a minute.

How on earth is this ^^ not scummy to you.

How am I the only one seeing that she is raging at majiffy, calls everyone null, then later claims to have thought he was scum all along. And shes made for majiffy-scum is that he may have thought he could get a turbo QL out of it which she immediately backtracked on when questioned.

Post 498 to your latest question.

Post 531 for the rest.

If you're just going to repeat yourself, these are the kind of replies you'll be getting.

Oh, and Wisdom made a smilar point, but scum can also be townleaders, no?

PS: I don't know what you mean by Amrun is going before me, but just a heads up that Amrun is not in the lynchpool.

I haven't sorted out Amrun yet, given my position in all of this I can't help but have sympathy for people going against the guy who simply challenged me when drunk. But I do agree that going for a Majiffy lynch based on the challenge alone isn't going to cut it, and I'm pretty certain if that's Amrun's plan, it is going to fail.

The alternative was that Amrun has no plan, townreads on all of us, and simply picks the guy who is the most anti-town. In this case I find her stance completely understandable. I say "was", because she does try more and more to paint him as scum just over the challenge.

But don't say he didn't have support for my lynch. You are the living proof of it.

(the PS is actually the response to your 539, everything before it to your 538)

In post 540, Grimgroove wrote:PS: I don't know what you mean by Amrun is going before me, but just a heads up that Amrun is not in the lynchpool.

You were implying you were going to challenge me next Day which implies you survive today. Im saying I would lynch Amrun over you, how is that remotely unclear.

Re 498: Thought you had said something.

There is trying to understand someone's perspective (usually by questioning them about it to better understand it) and then blatantly defending someone's point by bringing in peripheral support depsite that person recanting their point.

And the fact that you officially suspect Amrun makes the roundabout defense of her RECANTED point all the more dubious.

But I don't want to talk about you which is something I get that you REALLY like talking about. I love your repeated subtle QQs about Majiffy thinking you are 'weak' instead of understanding Majiffy to just be an aggressive player.

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Amrun has said she never wanted to PL Majiffy. She claims to have always found him scummy. She claimed when this all started to find him less scummy that other people in the lynch group. She makes ONE tangible point about him and then takes it back almost immediately, but keeps INSISTING that her vote is because she believe Majiffy to be likely scum.

Agree/Disagree?

Since nightless is apparently a thing.

In post 543, Venmar wrote:

Unvote

Since nightless is apparently a thing.

Why does that change your vote?

In post 543, Venmar wrote:

Unvote

Since nightless is apparently a thing.

Just in case you missed it:

In post 1, Haschel Cedricson wrote:15."No Lynch" is not an option. The gods of the Hidden Temple demand blood.

In post 540, Grimgroove wrote:But don't say he didn't have support for my lynch. You are the living proof of it.

This.
I'm not quite sure if AP wants to save Majiffy or Coug though at this point.

In post 546, Wisdom wrote:

In post 540, Grimgroove wrote:But don't say he didn't have support for my lynch. You are the living proof of it.

This.
I'm not quite sure if AP wants to save Majiffy or Coug though at this point.

Yes, assign scum motive to whatever Im doing.

Get your head out of your ass.

You mean like you're doing with Amrun and Grim?

Oh my fucking god. It would be cool if people would talk to me about them.