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MoS, your instructions to the SK tonight are very odd indeed, and are against all logic. Very contrary to what might be the concensus here.
Can you say something more convincing?
Can you say something more convincing?
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No, you're not reading. I definitely DID commit. You and THT are the mafia here. One of the others have to be the SK, but it doesn't really matter since I don't want to lynch them today.DrippingGoofball wrote:It's not just the Mariyta lynch, MoS, but the whole package.
If you're not scum... then who is?
You have some vague complaints here and there, about me, kops, pbug, and THT. But you're not committing. You're not really racking your brains trying to find scum. I think it's because you know who the scum is.
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They aren't odd at all, considering you are scum. But since you ARE scum, I can't expect posts like that to be anything more than nonsensical and illogical.DrippingGoofball wrote:MoS, your instructions to the SK tonight are very odd indeed, and are against all logic. Very contrary to what might be the concensus here.
Can you say something more convincing?
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THT, for following you around all day and flying under everyone's radar. He's pulling off the puppy dog mafia trick, and none of you have noticed. It'd be almost amusing if I wasn't busy trying to keep us on the right track.DrippingGoofball wrote:'Cuz say you convince me to unvote you, who on Earth might I vote for?
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Oh, I don't "trust" THT, either.
If you notice, he's with you on my "bad guy" list along with PBuG starring as the Serial Killer.
Let me guess that the arguments above weren't meant to sway me, or THT. Regardless of THT's alignment, I am guessing that you are merely tryingt to confuse the Town and the SK before being hammered.
If you notice, he's with you on my "bad guy" list along with PBuG starring as the Serial Killer.
Let me guess that the arguments above weren't meant to sway me, or THT. Regardless of THT's alignment, I am guessing that you are merely tryingt to confuse the Town and the SK before being hammered.
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Wow, OK, sorry about not posting, I was at work for TEN hours today... gah... and I ended up being out of the house for 14. So yeah.
Anyway...
Now, I know I said I would be happier with a PBuG lynch, however, I have reevaluated it, and decided I will agree with DGB on THIS ONE that he definately looks more like the SK, and should be kept alive. We can see more about him tomorrow if he hasnt been dropped off.
MoS... MoS...
1) I totally disagree with Aud... he is NOT the SK. a) PBuG is practically claiming SK. b) if PBuG somehow IS NOT the SK, then Auda... MARVIN... is my #2 choice.
2) I'm not sure that I'm convinced by DGB's vote analysis, because those can be misguided a lot (although I admit it was quite a good one).
3) However, the deciding factor are the 2 facts that: a) His defense just SUCKED. b) His SK targets were also entirely illogical. Yes it's quite possible that DGB is scum, and also that THT is scum, but I am NOT reading them as scumbuddies, and neither of them seem to be the obvious target. My perspective is that PBuG is SK, and by default Auda is scum with DGB OR THT, however, we don't know which, so Auda would be the best target. However, if PBuG somehow someway is NOT SK, it is my personal opinion that he must be scum (probably with THT at that point because I doubt he would be so obvious as to follow everything his buddy did.. but nevermind that; that analysis is for tomorrow.)
So all-in-all, while I had not been convinced completely by DGB's analysis, MoS's "defense", if you could even call it that, has been rather less than convincing. Next post will have a brief analysis of MoS's defense. I will not vote yet until at least 3 people have checked in, but at that point unless there is a strong and valid objection, I will hammer.
Anyway...
Now, I know I said I would be happier with a PBuG lynch, however, I have reevaluated it, and decided I will agree with DGB on THIS ONE that he definately looks more like the SK, and should be kept alive. We can see more about him tomorrow if he hasnt been dropped off.
MoS... MoS...
1) I totally disagree with Aud... he is NOT the SK. a) PBuG is practically claiming SK. b) if PBuG somehow IS NOT the SK, then Auda... MARVIN... is my #2 choice.
2) I'm not sure that I'm convinced by DGB's vote analysis, because those can be misguided a lot (although I admit it was quite a good one).
3) However, the deciding factor are the 2 facts that: a) His defense just SUCKED. b) His SK targets were also entirely illogical. Yes it's quite possible that DGB is scum, and also that THT is scum, but I am NOT reading them as scumbuddies, and neither of them seem to be the obvious target. My perspective is that PBuG is SK, and by default Auda is scum with DGB OR THT, however, we don't know which, so Auda would be the best target. However, if PBuG somehow someway is NOT SK, it is my personal opinion that he must be scum (probably with THT at that point because I doubt he would be so obvious as to follow everything his buddy did.. but nevermind that; that analysis is for tomorrow.)
So all-in-all, while I had not been convinced completely by DGB's analysis, MoS's "defense", if you could even call it that, has been rather less than convincing. Next post will have a brief analysis of MoS's defense. I will not vote yet until at least 3 people have checked in, but at that point unless there is a strong and valid objection, I will hammer.
OK.MoS wrote:THT, you're the one who needs to think before you post. Flying under the radar is not a direct result of how much you post. I have been noticed by everyone in my posts, as evidenced by the fact that you are now bandwagoning me. You, on the other hand, have been hardly mentioned at all today, except when people have done general summaries of parts of the game. Also, you need to gain some reading comprehension skills. Isaidthat PBug has been bandwagoning, not DGB. What Ididsay was that DGB has been trying to get bandwagons started by throwing accusations at everyone until they caught on somewhere. The only active person that she hasn't accused yet is you, which is another reason I'm suspicious of you. You and DGB have been sticking together pretty much all day. Not only have you been presenting a united front of suspicions, you've been protecting and defending each other by attacking those that attack the other person.
Next time you try to misrepresent me, be more subtle about it.
1) Fails to refute DGB's charges in any way shape or form, except that "she's been throwing accusations at everyone". While this is true, she has definately been pro-townly evaluating and reevaluating, and now I think she's got it right. Either way, this is not a defense.
2) Not only fails to defend himself, but actually attempts to
divert attention
to THT!! As has been stated earlier this game (I think it was this game), and as I will probably state a lot now that I've heard it: "In mafia, the best defense is NOT a good offense". In fact, in my own words, the WORST defense is a good offense, rivaled only by a bad offense, which I believe is the case here. Your points against him are irrelevant and nothing more than accusing him of hypocrosy (sp?) and sticking with DGB, something I hardly expect scum to do.OK, finally addresses DGB adequately (point 1 above may now be PARTLY rescinded), however, he conveniently diverts attention away from the fact that Mariyta, who could hardly be considered a good scum player, protected him quite a bit, but subtley enough that it wouldn't make anything obvious. In my opinion, this point is far more relevant than the fact that he wasn't on the bandwagon (since he does have a good reason).MoS wrote:I'm not going to bother quoting your big post, this post carries the same ideas. This post is full of misdirection. You say that I wasn't on the Mariyta lynch like it means something. I wasn't even around for Mariyta's lynch. Mariyta and I had been going at it all game, the only reason I hadn't voted Mariyta is because I'm trying to be careful with my vote and reread whenever I fall behind so that I don't make a vote using reasoning that is out-of-date. Let's look at the Mariyta lynch. Mariyta has 2 votes at the time of my last post, at which point I was busy arguing with Quagmire and Mariyta bothDGB wrote: Looking at voting patterns:
MoS: stingy with his vote. He was not on the Mariyta(scum) lynch. He voted only for DGB, THT and TMH(Doc).
Mariyta (dead scum): She voted a lot. She voted kops, Aud, MoS, and TMH.
kops was stingy with his vote as well.He only voted Maryita[/b]
Who was on the Mariyta lynch? kops, DGB, Aud.
Who was not? PBuG, THT, MoS.
More on that in a few minutes.
After this, he manages to do anything BUT defend himself and tries to divert attention AGAIN onto DGB and THT being SCUMBUDDIES!! IMO this is the LEAST likely scenario (that doesn't involve me being scum obv =P) and the only reason he fails to see that is because he is biased by the fact that he knows the REAL scum. I know that this has happened to me before when I was scum and have made very illogical conclusions about scumbuddies because I knew the real scumbuddies. It is a perfectly legitamate psychological error.
Conclusion: No objections? If not, hammer time.
Just read back over Sentinel99.
1) He only had 1 investigation b4 he died
2) The only thing I could read off of him was that he probably got scum on Mariyta but the doc was already dead at that point... so no claim from him i s'pose. He may have claimed in the event that we weren't gonna lynch her anyway but we did, so yeah.
He definately left no other clues.
1) He only had 1 investigation b4 he died
2) The only thing I could read off of him was that he probably got scum on Mariyta but the doc was already dead at that point... so no claim from him i s'pose. He may have claimed in the event that we weren't gonna lynch her anyway but we did, so yeah.
He definately left no other clues.
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But you've incriminated MoS even further when we are already in agreement to lynch MoS. Those points only reinforce that we should lynch MoS. I'm eager because I've been waiting for this day to be over, and we've almost got a lynch.
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1) Show me where I said you and Aud agreed with each other? As I have previously stated, I feel that PBug is the obvious choice for SK, though perhaps too obvious, so I am unsure. Either way, the SK isn't who we are looking for at this time, which is why I'm not voting for him.kops wrote:Wow, OK, sorry about not posting, I was at work for TEN hours today... gah... and I ended up being out of the house for 14. So yeah.
Anyway...
Now, I know I said I would be happier with a PBuG lynch, however, I have reevaluated it, and decided I will agree with DGB on THIS ONE that he definately looks more like the SK, and should be kept alive. We can see more about him tomorrow if he hasnt been dropped off.
MoS... MoS...
1) I totally disagree with Aud... he is NOT the SK. a) PBuG is practically claiming SK. b) if PBuG somehow IS NOT the SK, then Auda... MARVIN... is my #2 choice.
2) I'm not sure that I'm convinced by DGB's vote analysis, because those can be misguided a lot (although I admit it was quite a good one).
3) However, the deciding factor are the 2 facts that: a) His defense just SUCKED. b) His SK targets were also entirely illogical. Yes it's quite possible that DGB is scum, and also that THT is scum, but I am NOT reading them as scumbuddies, and neither of them seem to be the obvious target. My perspective is that PBuG is SK, and by default Auda is scum with DGB OR THT, however, we don't know which, so Auda would be the best target. However, if PBuG somehow someway is NOT SK, it is my personal opinion that he must be scum (probably with THT at that point because I doubt he would be so obvious as to follow everything his buddy did.. but nevermind that; that analysis is for tomorrow.)
So all-in-all, while I had not been convinced completely by DGB's analysis, MoS's "defense", if you could even call it that, has been rather less than convincing. Next post will have a brief analysis of MoS's defense. I will not vote yet until at least 3 people have checked in, but at that point unless there is a strong and valid objection, I will hammer.
2) Yes, it was a quite good and detailed analysis, but what ever prevented scum from trying to seem helpful? You can't just go around playing mafia lynching people just because they are less helpful. That's not going to win games for you. You'll get screwed over by it more often than not.
3) a) Again, that wasn't a defense. b) Coming from the position that I know I am innocent, they are the most likely choices for SK targets, so it's not illogical. Once you make the mistake of lynching me, you will see that you should've gone for them, and a smart SK will see that as well. While anything, of course, is possible at this point, I believe that we are most likely to hit scum by lynching THT. If PBug is not SK, you said so yourself that he is most likely scum with THT. If Auda is mafia, you admit that DGB and THT are the most likely partners. And since a DGB-THT partnership is also plausible, as I have outlined earlier, it makes sense to kill 3 birds with one stone and lynch THT.
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[quote=MoS]
1) Show me where I said you and Aud agreed with each other? As I have previously stated, I feel that PBug is the obvious choice for SK, though perhaps too obvious, so I am unsure. Either way, the SK isn't who we are looking for at this time, which is why I'm not voting for him. [/quote]
you didn't, it was a point regarding you more than a point against you. I'm just saying I didn't agree with Auda.
as for your 3)b) that is worth thinking about IF you come up town. If that miraculously (well... anti-miraculously), is the case, then it really is up to the SK, but I would have to think about that. It really depends on whether or not you're town too much and at this point I'm rather convinced you aren't.
1) Show me where I said you and Aud agreed with each other? As I have previously stated, I feel that PBug is the obvious choice for SK, though perhaps too obvious, so I am unsure. Either way, the SK isn't who we are looking for at this time, which is why I'm not voting for him. [/quote]
you didn't, it was a point regarding you more than a point against you. I'm just saying I didn't agree with Auda.
as for your 3)b) that is worth thinking about IF you come up town. If that miraculously (well... anti-miraculously), is the case, then it really is up to the SK, but I would have to think about that. It really depends on whether or not you're town too much and at this point I'm rather convinced you aren't.
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Most likely to hit scum by lynching THT?
Yes he might be scum, yes you might be Town.
But we have to go with the evidence that we have. That's all we have to go on. And the evidence points to you.
Yes he might be scum, yes you might be Town.
But we have to go with the evidence that we have. That's all we have to go on. And the evidence points to you.
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First off, Mariyta spent much of her time TRYING to get me lynched, not protecting me. It wasn't until TMH made that inexplicable attack on me that made no sense whatsoever that Mariyta got off my back, and certainly you don't find that scummy, since the majority of the town felt the same way and ultimately lynched him...even after switching her vote, Mariyta STILL advocated for Mackay to vig me that night. The main evidence that Mariyta "protected" me was because she voted kops while saying she would like to vote me, but you fail to put it in context. Earlier in the same post, Mariyta had said that she was uncertain about me simply because I acted rough in all my games with her, so she wasn't so sure anymore. Even after that, she suggested to have me put on the chopping block as someone who was likely to have killed Mackay. I don't see where you people are getting it from that Mariyta "protected" me, when she only somewhat did so in one post the entire game, but all her other posts concerning me were negative and meant to cast suspicion and get me killed...kops wrote: OK, finally addresses DGB adequately (point 1 above may now be PARTLY rescinded), however, he conveniently diverts attention away from the fact that Mariyta, who could hardly be considered a good scum player, protected him quite a bit, but subtley enough that it wouldn't make anything obvious. In my opinion, this point is far more relevant than the fact that he wasn't on the bandwagon (since he does have a good reason).
After this, he manages to do anything BUT defend himself and tries to divert attention AGAIN onto DGB and THT being SCUMBUDDIES!! IMO this is the LEAST likely scenario (that doesn't involve me being scum obv =P) and the only reason he fails to see that is because he is biased by the fact that he knows the REAL scum. I know that this has happened to me before when I was scum and have made very illogical conclusions about scumbuddies because I knew the real scumbuddies. It is a perfectly legitamate psychological error.
Conclusion: No objections? If not, hammer time.
Concerning the second paragraph, yes, I am biased. I am biased by the fact that I
know
my own innocence, leaving DGB and THT as the most likely scum pair. They have presented a united front against me, supported by the would-be SK, PBug. I cannot in any way believe that two people working so close together could not have at least one scum among them, because any real protown player knows not to treat any other players (barring investigations or other confirmable things, but we're all townies with no results to help us) with the kind of trust those two have shown towards each other today. Any real townie would be suspicious of having another person completely agreeing with them all the time, especially in this critical point of the game. That
is why I am turning attention on DGB and THT, because they were so far under the scumdar that no one even looked at them to consider their scum groups until I pointed it out. Everyone was talking about kops/MoS or MoS/auda, etc., smiling and nodding while they ignored all the other possibilities, especially when the obvious reasons for other pairings were right under their noses. That
is what caused my vote and attack on DGB/THT.Permanent V/LA.