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Posted: **Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:31 pm**

In post 524, sangres wrote:I think he'd be super engaged if he were scum.

VBarsoon is sick, IIRC so this tell does not apply ATM.

Posted: **Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:31 pm**

In post 523, Cabd wrote:Although true to orc's thingie, I do want to know why I've been towned so hard?
Are you reading me in some new way I have to reverse-engineer in the future?
If you're town figuring out town-me this quickly is dangerous going forward.

Maybe!

Posted: **Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:32 pm**

In post 525, Cabd wrote:
In post 524, sangres wrote:I think he'd be super engaged if he were scum.
VBarsoon is sick, IIRC so this tell does not apply ATM.

I didn't know that. He hasn't mentioned being sick here.

I'll take that under advisement.

Posted: **Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:34 pm**

In post 505, Varsoon wrote:Also, sorry for being so absent. I got really sick.

Posted: **Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:34 pm**

How hard are you towning me

Posted: **Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:35 pm**

In post 529, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:How hard are you towning me

Not as hard as page 1 of the BSG game, but I'm getting there.

Posted: **Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:37 pm**

Has nacho expressed an opinion about me yet

Posted: **Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:38 pm**

In post 531, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Has nacho expressed an opinion about me yet

afaik nacho hasn't seen the thread since his last post on page 2.

Posted: **Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:48 pm**

In post 483, mastin2 wrote:Thing is, you're pushing the idea that I'm not being transparent with these things, that I'm not mentioning the doubt, but the thing about that is...well...it's kinda obvious. I haven't been mentioning the doubt specifically because of the transparency. It's there in my posts. I don't need to say it every single time when it's laid out. You also are pushing the idea that "OMG reads list = absolute!", when you of all people would know my reads lists change...a lot.

this is complete BS. tell me where there's obvious doubt in these posts

Spoiler:

In post 213, mastin2 wrote:I'm also feeling great this game, which helps. I feel like the town players here are already in the process of synching up, just like last Xeno game, and that the scum are trapped on the outside for the most part. I generally don't feel like instantly flipping the switch, but this game is going so damn awesomely that I kinda sorta feel like I almost could flip it right here and now and be that pseudo-scumhunting-god.

In post 221, mastin2 wrote:1. ActionDan
^Nullish-town. Need more from Danny boy, but his posting thusfar sorta seems town.

2. Aegor
^Scummy. Can be scum with Kaze easily, but I see him as town if Kaze is town. I also see him as town if Cephrir is scum.

3. Angry Frat Bros (BROseidon + AngryPidgeon)
^Town. These guys are townposting like champs.

4. Brian Skies
^Also town. Brian Skies gives off the aura of a town player who doesn't give a crap about the wagon on him. He's relaxed, he's casual, and he's also not being a lurkaderp; he's still putting time, effort, and analysis into the game.

5. Cabd
^Town. I admittedly do not know Cabd that well; I'm not sure I've seen his scumgame and am not intimately familiar with his towngame. But his posting so far just feels like town, and that's good enough for me.

6. Cephrir
^Scummy, and opposite of Aegor: if Kaze's town, he's scum. If Aegor's scum, though, he'd be town.

7. Flandre Scarlet
^Nullish-scum.

8. Kagami
^Town. I can see the aura of towniness emitting from Kagami right now, and it is clear as can be.

9. Kazekirimaru
^Nullish-scum. While I can see elements of a town mindset present, for the most part, what I'm seeing just doesn't
feel
town. Right now, I'm actually guessing town with Pie/Cephrir as scum, but it easily could be Pie/Aegor/Kaze.

10. macmollie (mac + pirate mollie)
^Fairly decently town. Mollie hasn't done much, but what she has done gave me an immediate townvibe from her.

11. MafiaSSK
^Also town. This is SSK's townmeta, through-and-through, and his posting has been goodposting, too.

13. Metal Sonic
^Nullish-scum. Not liking his posting so far.

14. orcinus_theoriginal
^Nullish-town. Could be scum, but the claim makes me lean slightly towards town.

15. pieguyn
^Scum. This isn't a town pie. I don't know how I know this, but it simply...
isn't
.

16. sangres (fferyllt + Nachomamma8)
^Town. Sangres's posting so far has definitely been that of their towngame.

17. Skullduggery
^Also town. Meta points help, but I also found that Skull's posting regardless of meta still looked town overall, because it didn't feel forced, it didn't feel faked; it felt like natural town posting.

18. Varsoon
^Also also town. This is Varsoon's townposting.

19. Venmar
^Null. Don't really remember Venmar's posting, which is a bad sign.

20. zMuffinMan
^Town. This is a town-Muffin, through-and-through.

I'll be back later to compile this into an official list; short on time, so gotta go.

In post 258, mastin2 wrote:TOWN:
MafiaSSK
Angry Frat BROs
Sangres
zMuffinman

Skullduggery
Kagami

Varsoon
macmollie
Cabd
Brian Skies (fairly interchangeable with Cabd, but overall weaker)

LEANING TOWN:
ActionDan
orcinus_theoriginal

LYNCH POOL:
pieguyn
Aegor (mutually exclusive with Cephrir)
Cephrir (mutually exclusive with Aegor)
Kazekirimaru
Metal Sonic
Flandre Scarlet

NULL:
Venmar

So basically, 7 or so names for scum candidates, maaaaaaaaaaaaybe eight if you bump orcinus down--I need a little over half that. (I'm
guessing
five scum for this game, but it's difficult to be certain if it's four or five.)

I'm otherwise preoccupied, so I'll see if I can analyze the details later.

go on, tell me exactly what in those posts makes it "obvious" you're doubting your reads. you got caught and now you're literally pulling shit out of your ass to cover it up

Posted: **Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:49 pm**

In post 499, mastin2 wrote:Gonna steal zMuff's train of thought on me, but turned around. There's a fundamental difference in how pie approaches the game as town and as scum, and how his tone comes across as town and as scum. Pie's a lot like me in that regard. And I'm telling you that this is not the town pie I am familiar with.

and what makes you think you're familiar with how I approach the game?

sry but I'm going to have to say this is outright laughable. you quite clearly have no idea how I go about my reads on people, nor how I go about pushing them, nor how I approach the game. you are positioning yourself as being familiar with my game when we only have 1 completed game. and this still doesn't work even if you've meta'd me (see below). this is quite obviously BS

In post 499, mastin2 wrote:His posts are not analytical; they're a faking of analysis. They're not meant to find scum; they're meant to lynch town and manipulate town.

and it's not manipulative how you're basically just repeating "lolol pie is scum" to every single person WHILE COMPLETELY IGNORING, MISREPPING, AND DOWNPLAYING MY CASE ON YOU? YOU ARE TRYING TO COMPLETELY DISREGARD MY CASE ON YOU AND WRITE IT OFF LIKE IT NEVER HAPPENED. HOW THE FUCK IS THAT NOT MEANT TO "MANIPULATE TOWN" AND "LYNCH TOWN"?

by playing this card, you are implying you yourself are scum. srsly, tell me what's not "manipulative" about these posts:

Spoiler:

In post 483, mastin2 wrote:(This is probably because pie is scum and kaze likely-town.)

In post 483, mastin2 wrote:Cephrir is probably scum, yes, but not certainly scum. For me, that's pie. What do you think of him?

In post 483, mastin2 wrote:Yes, because it was one likely formed by scum, in contrast to ours.

In post 483, mastin2 wrote:Indeed. Though that post is admittedly a much better display, it is still not his town self. Not even close.

In post 483, mastin2 wrote:Because he's probably scum?

In post 375, mastin2 wrote:Yep, pie for sure. Minus the bit about him having a town mindset. Squinting really hard, I could maybe take random pieces of his iso and rub them together and maybe sorta-semi-think it could vaguely resemble townposting, but aside from that...

In post 369, mastin2 wrote:A lack of explanation is the reason.

In post 369, mastin2 wrote:That mean you scumread Kaze?

In post 270, mastin2 wrote:
In post 266, Cabd wrote:Mastin, when you attempt to turn in your AP Calc homework with just answers and no work shown, don't be fucking surprised when everyone thinks you cheated and already had the answer sheet.
Fun fact:

I used mental math for concepts that most people couldn't do without calculations for
years
. In fact, my mental math often proved more accurate than my written math, because mentally, I came to the right answer, but when trying to do the processes that I had skipped, I made mistakes--sometimes obviously, or sometimes knowing they were mistakes yet not being able to figure out *why* they were mistakes.

I was later forced to learn to write it down because my teacher refused to give credit for the mental math, in spite of me having absolutely no method of cheating and my answers largely being right anyway. Understandably, I was worse at math for a while before I learned how to adjust.

So, yes, I can be surprised that people think I cheated, because I'm an honorable guy, for the most part. I expect me saying "No, I didn't cheat; that'd just be cheating myself. Why would I cheat?", means that people won't think I'm cheating, since I wasn't. I just did it, naturally. Granted, there were some things I needed to work at--to study. But for the most part, math was intuitive. I grasped the concept, and really really
got
it. (I did have trouble tying separate concepts together, though. Doing one, was fine. Doing the other, was fine. Doing both, my mind broke down.) Anything I write down is mostly a formality in math for me having already worked out the answer. The mind's faster than the hand.

...You probably need a better metaphor.

In post 264, mastin2 wrote:Indeed, because you have to be on a trip in order to see me as scum.

there is literally no analysis in any of these posts. instead, you're basically just repeating "xxx is scum" and "I'm town" and hoping people will buy it. your entire ISO besides your first post is smth called "argument from repetition". YOU ARE SPREADING MIST AND HOPING PEOPLE GET LOST.

second, if I'm not doing analysis then what the fuck am I doing now? I'm looking at your posts and quite clearly demonstrating how you're full of shit. third, what's scummy about trying to lynch someone you think is scum? go on, tell me. oh wait you can't bc you're just BS'ing yet again

and besides, why the fuck is this even alignment indicative? if you supposedly know so much about me, you should know that my posts come across as manipulative and forced a lot. however, you're conveniently ignoring that bc it's inconvenient for all the mist you're spreading around. you're so transparent

In post 499, mastin2 wrote:His posting's forced, his emotions are largely faked, and all-in-all, his posts just don't have the same heart as the town-him.

I'm finding it difficult to have heart this game when you and zmuffin are both making a terribad push on me for shit reasons and even more people are looking like they'll buy that shit. so, if you seriously believe this, just go fuck yourself and stay the fuck away from me. you obviously have no idea how I play this game and it's laughable how you're trying to position yourself as familiar with my play when you're obviously not

Posted: **Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:55 pm**

In post 482, macmollie wrote:pie/kaze back & forth is strange. not so much kaze's posting but pies, especially agreeing with kaze about brian so quickly when his line of question appeared to be questioning kaze on his brian vote. plus I'm not so sure about the "scum are more aware of supersaints" theory he seems to be floating around in this series of posts.

it's page 2. sure it's weak but on page 2 it's better than anything else so far

what do you make of Kaze agreeing with it?

In post 482, macmollie wrote:what is the purpose of this line of questioning, pieguy? because the way I see it is you solidifying a scumread on mastin then asking him for a read which doesn't really make sense?

I wanna know what his read on zmuffin is. if he's scum it forces him to take a stance on someone who's probably his partner, if he's town then I'm getting a legitimate opinion

In post 513, Venmar wrote:I think Pieguy is also scum. I'm taking down notes now as I play, thanks MS for the motivation. You're still scum though.

care to explain why?

it's also noted how you say this but you don't get involved by hopping on my wagon or offering actual analysis. fueling the fire from the sidelines much?

Posted: **Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:55 pm**

In post 417, pieguyn wrote:this is a calculated appeal to ffery to get her on his side for a mislynch on me down the road. zmuffin KNOWS that ffery gets suspicious of me bc my posts come across as forced or unnatural a lot. and he also knows that ffery and I work together a lot. he is appealing to this angle to play up paranoia about me and manipulate her into siding against me

I keep reading this and wondering who is this ffery you're talking about.

it also conveniently came at a time of day where I'm usually not online, but close to when ffery gets online. although this is speculation and might not mean anything

Massively different time zones are a thing.

Posted: **Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:58 pm**

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Aegor

You're not off the hook yet, Flandre. I'll get back to you. I've been burned for ignoring lurker-Scum before, and I'll be damned if I let it happen again here.

In post 457, Metal Sonic wrote:Sorry if my post was offensive or what, but I remember you posted in some game that you were waaay better at looking town than catching scum, and that stuck in my head.

In fact, that's in the book. Not trying to discredit you or whatever but yeah that stuck for me when I think of you...

It's true that I'm better at looking Town than catching Scum, but that doesn't necessarily mean that I have poor Scum-hunting skills as you insisted. I'm not the best Mafia player that ever lived, but that doesn't automatically mean that I suck. Come on now.

Nevertheless, why did you feel that this was such an important point that you had to bring it up twice? What was your intention there?

In post 469, Angry Frat BROs wrote:Mollie is confirmed town.

Because...?

In post 485, Kazekirimaru wrote:
In post 455, Skullduggery wrote:So you don't care whether anyone else believes your laughable case on me? What are you going to do, lynch me all by yourself? You have fun with that.
I'm not sure how I feel about your confrontational attitude here.

Did you miss the part where he called me an insufferable fucktard for asking perfectly legitimate questions? Do you think I'm unjustified in being confrontational with Aegor?

What do you think about Aegor's case on me? He thinks my vote on Flandre was bad even though he has no opinion of Flandre, he thinks my vote on Brian was bad even though he has no opinion of the Brian wagon, and when pressed to elaborate on his reasoning, he resorts to insults and temper tantrums to avoid taking any definitive stances. Does that look like Town play to you?

In post 521, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:1) you're not townreading me. There's no way. I haven't said shit to you yet, nacho scumreads me everyday, my play has not been spectacular, so that means you're towning me on the claim alone. I've never seen that.

Why are you hated and why do you stop being hated on Night 2? If you're only going to be hated for two days, why did you claim it so soon? Were you really expecting to be the Day 1 or Day 2 lynch so strongly that you needed to get this information out right away?

Posted: **Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:58 pm**

In post 535, pieguyn wrote:it's also noted how you say this but you don't get involved by hopping on my wagon or offering actual analysis. fueling the fire from the sidelines much?

ITT you forget I am voting Metal Sonic and am developing other scumreads at the same time. ITT you also attack everyone who calls you scum. Nice.

Posted: **Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:59 pm**

Loving how I've been able to lurk without retribution.

Spoiler: LETS GET DOWN TO BUSINESS

Spoiler: Aladdin

So, I'm thinking Kazekirimaru is kinda town in regards where he's asking people why their reads disagree with them and opening himself up to different ideas.

I like Brian Skies catch up posts, they felt genuine, along with his reaction to the flashwagon.

The macmollie/sangres interaction felt like a TvT to me.

I'm liking orcinus_theoriginal's hated claim.

I kinda feel two scum in {pieguyn, mastin2, zMuffinMan} but it's a gut instinct more than anything. But, I feel like part of the wagon on mastin2 is a burden of proficiency wagon.

I feel like there's one scum in {Aegor, Skullduggery}

In regards to my last post not feeling genuine- (not really looking for sympathy, just explaining)- I'm trying to mask my playstyle (PL the metadodger) as well as get a feel for where I fit into the machine.

Pedit-

Thanks for anulling the first line of this post. I'll gladly chat with you more later, maybe you'll realize how off you are.

Posted: **Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:59 pm**

In post 537, Skullduggery wrote:Why are you hated and why do you stop being hated on Night 2? If you're only going to be hated for two days, why did you claim it so soon? Were you really expecting to be the Day 1 or Day 2 lynch so strongly that you needed to get this information out right away?

I would have speedlynched him on the spot had he not claimed it early D1. You always claim negative utility shit like that.

Posted: **Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:00 pm**

Why are you role fishing

VOTE: skull

Posted: **Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:01 pm**

Get on this wagon it's taking off

Posted: **Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:04 pm**

In post 536, sangres wrote:I keep reading this and wondering who is this ffery you're talking about.

what does this mean?

are you referring to how you're not playing solo? bc I don't see what that has to do with this

In post 538, Venmar wrote:
In post 535, pieguyn wrote:it's also noted how you say this but you don't get involved by hopping on my wagon or offering actual analysis. fueling the fire from the sidelines much?
ITT you forget I am voting Metal Sonic and am developing other scumreads at the same time. ITT you also attack everyone who calls you scum. Nice.

and what does this have to do with my point against you?

you're calling me scum while contributing absolutely nothing to the case against me. what does me attacking everyone who calls me scum have to do with this? nice deflection

not to mention if that was even true I'd be attacking practically the whole thread by now

Posted: **Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:08 pm**

In post 419, Kazekirimaru wrote:I think I don't know how Cabd thinks.

But the angle I see you sliding towards - "He's a meta player and reading me as scum so he must be scum" - isn't a good spot to be, in my opinion.

Missed this earlier. One point for kaze.

Pie, perhaps I missed it, did you follow up on this?

Posted: **Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:10 pm**

In post 539, Flandre Scarlet wrote:Thanks for anulling the first line of this post. I'll gladly chat with you more later, maybe you'll realize how off you are.

Why later? Why not now?

In post 539, Flandre Scarlet wrote:So, I'm thinking Kazekirimaru is kinda town in regards where he's asking people why their reads disagree with them and opening himself up to different ideas.

Can you reword this sentence? I have no idea what you're even saying here.

In post 539, Flandre Scarlet wrote:I kinda feel two scum in {pieguyn, mastin2, zMuffinMan} but it's a gut instinct more than anything. But, I feel like part of the wagon on mastin2 is a burden of proficiency wagon.

Why two Scum specifically? Do you really think Pieguyn/Mastin and Pieguyn/Muffin are legitimate combinations? If so, why?

In post 539, Flandre Scarlet wrote:I feel like there's one scum in {Aegor, Skullduggery}

In regards to my last post not feeling genuine- (not really looking for sympathy, just explaining)- I'm trying to mask my playstyle (PL the metadodger) as well as get a feel for where I fit into the machine.

So even though you acknowledge that my observations about you in 228 are grounded in truth, you still have me as a Scum-read because of it? Why?

In post 541, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Why are you role fishing

skull

I'm not. Why aren't you answering my questions?

Posted: **Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:11 pm**

you never answered it

can you answer plz

Posted: **Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:11 pm**

Also the flan girlie skipping me entirely is interesting.

Posted: **Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:12 pm**

VOTE: Why are you hated and why do you stop being hated on Night 2?

No this is role fishing quickwagon this shit

Posted: **Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:12 pm**

Uhhhh awkward phone posting failure

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