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Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:30 pm
by BROseidon
Also p5 feels townish for his posts. Gut tells me that it's in line with what I've seen of town-him before.
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:30 pm
by BROseidon
@Bulba – Gut x10000000000
I could go through ISOs on everyone and explain what exactly drives that gut, but it's 1:30am and I have to be up at 9 tomorrow so I don't have time
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:30 pm
by XScorpion
So...he feels townish therefore you will sheep Thor and I and vote him...?
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:33 pm
by BROseidon
Do you want to wagon bulba?
My vote's on the slot from before he replaced, and I'd rather be using my vote to be useful than have it on a vanity wagon.
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:43 pm
by Antihero
In post 523, BROseidon wrote:Anti (residual from Smudger, and I also bias towards scum reading him, so this read is meh)
lolwat?
The only game we've played was Xenogears and in that game I was practically confirmed town from the time I replaced in. The hell...?
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:44 pm
by Antihero
In post 528, BROseidon wrote:Do you want to wagon bulba?
My vote's on the slot from before he replaced, and I'd rather be using my vote to be useful than have it on a vanity wagon.
Yeah, put your money where your mouth is. You seem to really be against the peregrine lynch, so what's the hesitation?
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:48 pm
by Antihero
In post 521, Bulbazak wrote:Why would Cxin feel the need to change his play as scum, when he could just say "Why would I do this as scum?"?
Yeah, except for he hasn't actually made that excuse
himself
and I don't see any evidence for that level of calculation in his posts.
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:53 pm
by XScorpion
In post 528, BROseidon wrote:Do you want to wagon bulba?
My vote's on the slot from before he replaced, and I'd rather be using my vote to be useful than have it on a vanity wagon.
I would rather lynch P5, Cxin, or TSO before bulba. He's certainly 4th though.
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:08 pm
by Bulbazak
In post 531, Antihero wrote: In post 521, Bulbazak wrote:Why would Cxin feel the need to change his play as scum, when he could just say "Why would I do this as scum?"?
Yeah, except for he hasn't actually made that excuse
himself
and I don't see any evidence for that level of calculation in his posts.
You keep missing the point. Why would Cxin feel the need to change his play as scum, when such a drastic change in play would draw considerably more attention? Even if we ignore the point about his activity, you still haven't given your opinion on his contradictory stance on Zek.
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:25 am
by cxinlee
Meh, I'll catch up later.
What does what I prefer have to do with anything. You were inconsistent, as if you were trying to defend him and distance from him at the same time.
Which posts implied that?
Remind me.
Simply put, Gut town-read=/=town read. I try my best to prevent my gut read from affecting my general read on someone.
Why?
Because I disagree about Zakk scum.
Who are you talking about here, because I get the sense it's not about Zekrom?
I'm talking about myself.
Scorp:
It would be nice if you could give me a reason that you shouldn't be lynched today.
Because I'm town.
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:42 am
by cxinlee
bro is town for laziness. I'd expect scum to put more effort into the game.
I like antihero's catch up posts, plus I'm particularly biased to people who townread me, so town.
Bulba is right though, if I suddenly started contributing it'd be suspicious as hell (Even though if I did keep up like this I'd probably be lynched, so either way I would be fucked).
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:21 am
by Yates
What?
A Town read is a Town read. "Gut" is just an excuse for arriving at that read. So, yes, gut Town read ABSOLUTELY = Town read.
In post 535, cxinlee wrote:Bulba is right though, if I suddenly started contributing it'd be suspicious as hell
What??
Why not simply contribute and let your posts speak for themselves? Town should NEVER be concerned about being read as scum for - of all things - posting freaking content.
In post 535, cxinlee wrote:bro is town for laziness. I'd expect scum to put more effort into the game.
What???
Why would anyone think this ever?
Oh. I get it. Now I see what you did there.
Confirm Vote: CXI
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:51 am
by XScorpion
No, you'll catch up now. And you'll start putting effort into the game. Or I suppose you can just die, that's fine with me.
VOTE: cxinlee
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:45 am
by Antihero
In post 533, Bulbazak wrote:You keep missing the point. Why would Cxin feel the need to change his play as scum, when such a drastic change in play would draw considerably more attention? Even if we ignore the point about his activity, you still haven't given your opinion on his contradictory stance on Zek.
Right. Because the "sitting on his ass and not doing anything" strategy is working perfectly for him right now and is so obviously the optimal scum strategy here. It's not like you JUST kind of policy lynched someone and people aren't willing to policy lynch again...
Unless you really think he's playing that badly (which I guess isn't
totally
out of the question).
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:51 am
by T S O
heyya, Antihero.
I feel like I'm looking at this game from the outside and I basically want to get in, so you're gonna help me.
You think I'm scum. Why?
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:52 am
by Antihero
In post 533, Bulbazak wrote:Even if we ignore the point about his activity, you still haven't given your opinion on his contradictory stance on Zek.
Links, please? That's what I was saying before, I'm not sure what you're talking about? Was it the the stuff about him town gut reading zakk or something like that?
(my eyes kind of rolled back in my head at that post)
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:53 am
by XScorpion
In post 539, T S O wrote:heyya, Antihero.
I feel like I'm looking at this game from the outside and I basically want to get in, so you're gonna help me.
You think I'm scum. Why?
Probably because you were on the wrong wagon.
At least, that is what is going through my head right now.
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:55 am
by Antihero
In post 539, T S O wrote:heyya, Antihero.
I feel like I'm looking at this game from the outside and I basically want to get in, so you're gonna help me.
You think I'm scum. Why?
You pooh-poohing Zekrom's wagon without 1) specifically saying who
exactly
on the wagon was scum and 2) without saying why you thought Zekrom was town really bugs the hell out of me. It doesn't even have to do with Zekrom's flip, really...
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:55 am
by T S O
In post 541, XScorpion wrote: In post 539, T S O wrote:heyya, Antihero.
I feel like I'm looking at this game from the outside and I basically want to get in, so you're gonna help me.
You think I'm scum. Why?
Probably because you were on the wrong wagon.
At least, that is what is going through my head right now.
I can talk to you too, I guess.
I was wrong on Zekrom, yeah, but that doesn't make me scum. And it's not like he's easy to read - I don't particularly think my stance would have been different in hindsight.
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:57 am
by T S O
In post 542, Antihero wrote: In post 539, T S O wrote:heyya, Antihero.
I feel like I'm looking at this game from the outside and I basically want to get in, so you're gonna help me.
You think I'm scum. Why?
You pooh-poohing Zekrom's wagon without 1) specifically saying who
exactly
on the wagon was scum and 2) without saying why you thought Zekrom was town really bugs the hell out of me. It doesn't even have to do with Zekrom's flip, really...
1) Why would scum have to be on the wagon?
2) I really want to link you something, but I can't, so basically if you read a Newbie I linked a while back you'll see I got burned for scumreading Zek and I've been rather loath to do it since.
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:59 am
by XScorpion
In post 543, T S O wrote:I was wrong on Zekrom, yeah, but that doesn't make me scum.
Certainly makes you more likely to be scum than the people who voted him, doesn't it?
I dunno about that, I thought he was almost too obviously scum.
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:04 am
by Antihero
Hey, you were the one saying that the wagon was scummy:
In post 195, T S O wrote:Zekrom wagon is shamefully poor. No-one here can read him whatsoever, but almost no-one has admitted they don't have a clue about him. I'd be very surprised if there isn't scum on Zekrom right now, potentially multiple scum.
In post 544, T S O wrote:2) I really want to link you something, but I can't, so basically if you read a Newbie I linked a while back you'll see I got burned for scumreading Zek and I've been rather loath to do it since.
But you didn't bring up the VI behavior at the time. Also, Thor looked back at Zekrom's previous games and specifically said that his town meta DIDN'T match his play this game, but you didn't acknowledge that or attempt to argue with him by linking to this said Newbie game.
I'm wary of people who seem to be naysayers just for the sake of being naysayers. It's a classic scum maneuver that gets them cheap towncred for being a "rebel" and not going with popular opinion.
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:11 am
by T S O
In post 545, XScorpion wrote: In post 543, T S O wrote:I was wrong on Zekrom, yeah, but that doesn't make me scum.
Certainly makes you more likely to be scum than the people who voted him, doesn't it?
Not at all.
Have you played with him before?
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:23 am
by T S O
In post 546, Antihero wrote:
Hey, you were the one saying that the wagon was scummy:
In post 195, T S O wrote:Zekrom wagon is shamefully poor. No-one here can read him whatsoever, but almost no-one has admitted they don't have a clue about him. I'd be very surprised if there isn't scum on Zekrom right now, potentially multiple scum.
I agree with that. If I was scum, I'd know Zekrom's rubbish and probably hardbus him for towncred. But I find it hard to find anyone who's actually doing that. Bulba's not, I'm quite sure, which disrupts my scumread on him like fuck. Thor? Maybe. I could see it, but it does hinge on his meta research on Zekrom I guess.
But Scorp's position of "if you're on it, you're better than if you were off it" is really bad. I bussed Majiffy in Open 536 d1 and he knows that, so why he thinks I would have trouble bussing a player 100 times weaker than Majiffy boggles me.
In post 546, Antihero wrote: In post 544, T S O wrote:2) I really want to link you something, but I can't, so basically if you read a Newbie I linked a while back you'll see I got burned for scumreading Zek and I've been rather loath to do it since.
But you didn't bring up the VI behavior at the time. Also, Thor looked back at Zekrom's previous games and specifically said that his town meta DIDN'T match his play this game, but you didn't acknowledge that or attempt to argue with him by linking to this said Newbie game.
Where did Thor say this? I didn't see it, but he probably did. I'll talk to Thor about it.
In post 546, Antihero wrote:I'm wary of people who seem to be naysayers just for the sake of being naysayers. It's a classic scum maneuver that gets them cheap towncred for being a "rebel" and not going with popular opinion.
I'm usually a naysayer in policy lynches, one exception ever, I think. And from what I could see, we were stringing him up on policy reasons.
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:48 am
by PeregrineV
In post 95, smargaret wrote:cxinlee is massively antitown. Post content or don't post, but posting just for the sake of hearing yourself type is essentially doing the prod dodge thing. Scorpion is town. If one of the thor/porkens/bulbazak mess or zekrom is scum, then the other one isn't - I don't see scum trying to distract from distancing like that. Actually, if thor/porkens/bulbazak are town,then zek probably is too because scum want mislynches, and those don't happen if scum draw attention to themselves by blatantly not commenting.
That said, wtf? RVS is not inherently protown.
VOTE: cxin. Have opinions. Express them.
In post 119, smargaret wrote:My reasoning wasn't totally clear. It was 3 am local time, in my defense.
Basically, there's a big mess that I wasn't really up to sorting through at 3 am between Thor, Porkens, and Bulbazak. It looks likely that one or more wagons could conceivably come out of that. If T/P/B are all town, then scum would like to encourage those wagons - and not draw a lot of attention to themselves and risk derailing the hypothetically building wagons by trying to start RQS once the game has actually begun. On the flip side, if any of T/P/B are scum, or are distancing, then presumably scum-Zek would know that and would have a planned out response, and I really, REALLY doubt that any entire scumteam would argue for randomly starting RQS. It's WIFOMy, but I don't see any reason why scum-Zek would play that way.
That said, given the lack of a daystart PM, it's probable that the list of currently-active players is disproportionately scummy. Presumably scum would have been told to stop talking in the qt, so they'd all be aware day had started while town players had no idea.
In post 168, smargaret wrote:Thor - what's the difference between lynchbait and low-hanging fruit? Specifically re: your reply to me about cxin and your reply to Yates about Zek. I'd quote, but ipads are annoying and I don't feel like switching to the real computer.
Porkens - Do you still think Thor and Bulbazak are scum? Do you think Zek is scum with them? Why?
Bulbazak, though - I don't know that I'd call it a flinch per se, but definitely overly defensive. Do not like.
Zakk - anything else to say? Because calling someone out around one post when we have seven pages of actual stuff to go on (as opposec to questions about emotional state) and then nothing else? That's a bit fence sitty.
cxin - It means don't active lurk. If you're going to post, respond to the thread or actually draw conclusions, don't just post "OHAI, I'm here, nothing to say!". If you don't have an opinion, reread the thread and develop one. What is your read on Zek? In fact, who are your top three scumreads and why?
I know nobody asked or seems to care, but during the first read, when I came across these three posts, they set off warning bells.
95 seems to say that one of (Pork/Thor/Bulba) OR (Zek) is scum, but at the same time calling all of them town. Zekrom had 14 posts at the time of 95.
119- Zek had 18 posts, and Smargaret tries to "clarify" her position. Ends up with Zek=not scum.
168- Questioning all of the above players EXCEPT Zekrom. If your trying to sort the group, why exclude that one?
None of this would have meant much to me except for the Zek scum-flip.