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In post 447, AngryPidgeon wrote:^ AH HA, THE TRIED AND TRUE
PHONEPOSTING
WORK
LURKER
SITE-CRASH SCUMTELL. SCUM DETECTED.
What you say with irony, I say with sincerity. Scum using the excuse of lost posts not to contribute is exploiting the site crash for its maximum value.
Would it help or hurt your read if I
fake
claimed masons with Vezok?
Indeed.
In post 495, RedCoyote wrote:Alright, I just read up the game. I don't expect anyone to read over my notes word for word since I will sum everything up at the end, but you should read through them if you want a better idea about how I'm arriving at my conclusions. I would also like it if you read the questions I ask of you specifically.
GAH.
I want to call RC scum for this. I want to say that he's misrepping, that he quote-stripped and removed context to paint a scummy picture, and that there's absolutely no sense in his reads. I want to say that this is a scum-him. This game would be SO much easier if he was actually scum. But no. He's not. I'm pretty dang certain that this is a town-RC. Just an RC who might be accurate in some areas but is otherwise completely and entirely off-base.
I think he would draw more attention to himself by voting himself (even though he's the second player to do so) than he would by joining the leading wagon.
Then you don't know anything about players looking back on RVS wagons. They do so immediately, analyzing the size of the wagon and determining who (if any) the scum are on it...and
they never stop
. They come back to that same RVS wagon throughout the entire game. No, seriously. I see it done, time and time again, across all games. The easiest example to cite is in Xenogears, where there was an eight-person wagon in the early-stages of the game on TiphaineDeath. All nine players were analyzed to death (literally, death) on that wagon--not just immediately. But continuously throughout the game. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. That's why it was a scumtell from Rubicon.
(Yes. I am fully aware that I intentionally avoided the Aegor wagon, too. I pointed it out then, too, that it was a scumtell. If I was playing like my town self, I would have mindlessly jumped onto the wagon, in spite of my townread on him.)
mastin 61 wrote:Not everything I'm posting is
actually
serious. It's just meant to look that way.
Everything I post is at least
semi-serious
, in that
I do have reasons for it--but
I do exaggerate
.
I despise this entire post, but this segment in particular seems very forced.
Except the dialog you paint below is explained in the second half of the quote. Ignore the word "actually" and use the more accurate "entirely". Throughout that post (and all subsequent posts!), I make it crystal-clear that's what I meant. I've even bolded the relevant parts, emphasizing it. No, my dopog townread was not entirely serious. Yes, it was still somewhat-serious, in that I picked up the vibe that dopog would be lynched this game, and that it was more likely to be a mislynch. I explained this. It's present throughout my posting, that semi-serious-but-not-entirely-serious mindset. My entire RVS presence was meant to look serious because it was meant to be taken seriously. Yet if you bother to read those posts for more than a second, you'll realize exactly how transparently semi-serious (rather than entirely serious or entirely joking) they are.
And if you think that being semi-serious in the RVS is a scumtell for me or for anyone, you can go straight to hell because that's a fundamental scumhunting technique that I've used even when I was a VI in 2009. It's carried over throughout my games over the years, and likely influenced other players to act similarly. (For instance, AP's posting in Anything Goes started out semi-seriously. He was not entirely serious...yet he was not entirely joking, either. It was a mid-way between the two, scumhunting in his own unique way.)
mastin 320 wrote:...I specifically went out of my way to
avoid
doing those things.
Eh, cop out. I don't buy it.
Then you don't know me. At all. It's right there. In my posting. That painfully-obvious effort to not be the same person. There are elements of my posting that are still Mastin-in-general. There are elements of my posting that are a town Mastin. And there are a
lot
of elements in my posting that are a scum Mastin, intentionally so.
(Why? Because bluntly...my scum game is currently better than my town game. As scum, I have a plan, and my plan always works, or comes close to working. As scum, I can control the system, manipulate the strings, and make town players do my bidding. But my town game
hasn't
been going that well. I've been making the wrong calls. I've been becoming mislynch-bait. I've been a mediocre-at-BEST player, who can only hope to provide moral support to the town players actually effective at hunting scum. I'm sure of the wrong people, and paranoid of the wrong people. I want the magic of my scumgame to apply to my towngame. I want to bring my towngame back up from the brink of extinction. I want to stop sucking. I want to stop being a bad town player. So I'm deliberately playing partially to my scum meta. Explaining all of my reads in as much detail as I can among the more obvious things that I've done differently. Because a scum-me can do that. [Well...most of the time.] A town-me...hasn't. To the point where my scum-self even began mimicking that lack of explanation because it became such a strong towntell. And I'm sick of that. Of, frustratingly, having been off my mark. Time. And time. again. Of maybe eventually getting nightkilled, but having been nightkilled more out of pity and respect for my theoretical capabilities rather than for my actual skill. You don't know me. As AP said, I know me, better than any other player knows themselves. So, yes. I know I am different. Not only from my town-self, but also different in general, in that I'm intentionally sending off a completely different vibe.)
"I'm completely different now, so if you have a scumread on me, it's because you haven't figured out the new me yet~!"
Except...I've said
exactly
the opposite. "I'm completely different now, so why the
hell
are you townreading me?!?" Seriously. You can't miss it. It's literally painted throughout my iso, with sekai's and GIF's reads on me in particular. Their townreads on me made zero sense, because there was literally nothing to be townread. I can sort-of see someone townreading me now. (Especially vezok. He might not have said so as wordily as others, but I
get
his reasoning. I know why he's townreading me in spite of a lack of detailed explanation.) But there was no reason. Absolutely none. To townread my earlier posting, which was null, weird, and/or scum of me to have posted.
He's all over the place.
Which is part of the reason he's town.
When you get an insane player like me or AP, sure, yeah, being "all over the place"
can
be a scumtell. But generally? Generally, a person being all over the place is a town player who hasn't gotten into their element, rather than a scum player lashing out at every possible target.
Lastly, in
320, I want to point out mastin continually beating players over the head with the "I'm different now; this means you can't scumread me". mastin isn't saying those words exactly, but doing just enough to get you to arrive at that conclusion on your own.
Again, except
that's the exact opposite of everything I've been saying
. I've said AS EXPLICITLY AS CAN BE, "I'm playing differently, so
why the
hell
are you TOWNreading me?!?
" That doesn't run both ways. That's not me saying I can't be read, that I should be null and neither town nor scum. It's me saying that I shouldn't be a townread. Not that I shouldn't be a scumread. Bluntly, players who know me SHOULD have been scumreading me, and the way that Thor, AP, and Nero did so was all incredibly town. If their accusations had been unjustified, I would have called them out on them. But simply put, they weren't, because they were right.
Your case on vezok is entirely wrong, too. As is this.
If I had to pick, it would probably be BB.
BBMolla was asked to make himself obvtown within 48 hours...and he delivered. This is his towngame. Not his scumgame. It is there, in his mindset, in his posting. Ignore the amount of words. BBMolla's never been much for elaborate wording. As others have said, I can extrapolate the words and expand them out into a mindset. And with that in mind, by reading Molla's content, you can tell that he's thinking like town and not like scum
The jury is still out on
Majiffy
,
Alpazard
and
Sven
. I've got them in a null territory.
Majiffy and Sven are both scum. Alpa's a dead-null of mine.
[
Town
]------Aegor-Toog----Rubicon-----AP-Bulb--NC-pidgey---Alpazard-Sven-[
∙
]Majiffy--GIF-Thor--SC-Pere--Zde--sekai-AD-dopog--BB----vez--mastin-----[
Scum
]
The first good reads you have here are sekai and Dan; everyone further down your list I can guarantee is town. Zdenek being right there in (presumably) nullscum territory is also bad; Zdenek's one of my strongest townreads. PeregrineV is, too. ChessBall is another one who's also town, with a town-oriented mindset and content. As is Thor. That said, there's only one townread of yours that I actually disagree with, that being Rubicon. You're essentially townreading Rubicon because you're scumreading me. You might not think that's the case, but it is; your entire reasoning for having Rubicon as town basically resolves around me flipping scum.
As I said. Would be much simpler if you were scum, because these reads would then be justifiable. (Having scumbuddies be mostly in null, for distancing purposes, but keeping them from being scumreads.) But sadly, you're town. Just...town who is very, VERY wrong on most of these things.
