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Post Post #525 (ISO) » Sat May 05, 2007 5:52 am

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I'll probably vote Cavane once we get a votecount. Jdodge did look quite scummy.
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Post Post #526 (ISO) » Sun May 06, 2007 6:11 am

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M4yhem (AndrewS Sarcastro)
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Post Post #527 (ISO) » Sun May 06, 2007 6:16 am

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I'm glad all those votes are for JDodge and not me! :p
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Post Post #528 (ISO) » Sun May 06, 2007 6:28 am

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unvote

vote:cavane
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Post Post #529 (ISO) » Sun May 06, 2007 9:04 am

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Unvote, Vote: Cavane


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Post Post #530 (ISO) » Sun May 06, 2007 10:33 am

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OK, that 4 votes on Cavane, out of 5 needed to lynch.

@MBL-why do you think I'm dodgy? What do you think of mathcam/yos2?
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Post Post #531 (ISO) » Sun May 06, 2007 12:40 pm

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I dunno yet, I noticed after my read that I hadn't actively processed a few players. It's probably that they're not saying much of value, or possibly that their good comments aren't flashy enough to get noticed on a skim.

To your other question, I thought I saw you looking for weak sheep once or twice.
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Post Post #532 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2007 6:38 am

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Cavane needs to claim. I'm ready and willing to drop the hammer pending a claim from him.

MBL's assessment that I'm "99.9%" pro-town surprises me. Usually it feels like he's searching
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reason he can to go after me. I'm a bit worried at this point that I'm going to be nightkilled, but them's the dice.

MBL, could you go into more detail on all of your suspicions? Considering the inactivity of your predecessors, there is a disturbing lack of content coming from your position.
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Post Post #533 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2007 3:35 pm

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Claim time, is it? Very well.

I am King Steve, and I am Cop. I am not sane, however I'm not sure whether I'm paranoid or insane, since I've gotten all guilty results so far and at least one of them has been revealed as innocent. Judging by the nature of King Steve in 8BT I would tend to guess I'm paranoid, but it really could go either way, and I hestitate to make an assumption like that. So I'm unconfirmed.

If anyone is intending to drop the hammer, please let me post my investigation results before doing so, as they may prove useful after my death. If you guys decide against lynching me, I don't want the scum to know who's confirmed. (Assuming I'm not paranoid, that is.)
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Post Post #534 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2007 4:07 pm

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Um, I really think that you should reveal your results in either case now that you've claimed. If you are indeed insane, having your "guilty" results helps the town more than the scum, especially if you're nightkilled.
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Post Post #535 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2007 5:10 pm

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Here's my problem with that. If I reveal that info now and get lynched and come up insane, it only clears one person, since the other person I (JDodge) investigated is already dead. That person then gets Night Killed, and the info is worthless.

On the other hand, if I'm not lynched, and there's a doc and he protects me, I get more chances to investigate and then can reveal more helpful info later.

I don't see where the town advantage is in me revealing. On the other hand, there MIGHT be some advantage in not revealing. Of course, this is all assuming I'm not paranoid, but if I'm paranoid, all my info is worthless anyway. See where I'm coming from?
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Post Post #536 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2007 6:09 pm

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No, not at all. You're only looking at two scenarios: not being lynched + not revealing + surviving the night and being lynched + revealing.

If you are lynched, we're obviously better off with you revealing than not revealing.

If you are not lynched and are nightkilled, we're also better off with you revealing than not revealing, for the same reason.

If you are not lynched and are not nightkilled, it doesn't make a huge difference whether or not you reveal your results. Yes, the scum get a confirmed person to kill if they want, but that doesn't change the fact that confirming people is generally good for the town. Sure, the scum can kill them and take away the luxury of having a confirmed pro-town player, but if you don't reveal the person in the first place, we never get that luxury. Besides, even if it were beneficial to not reveal your results in this case, the risk of being killed is still there, and with it the risk of you taking your results to the grave.

I don't see any good reason to keep your results hidden.
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Post Post #537 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2007 7:18 pm

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I suppose that's true. Basically what it comes down to is it doesn't much matter either way, but I may as well reveal on the off-chance it helps the town out, since if I'm not lynched, it seems pretty likely I'll be NKed.

So with that in mind, here's what I (JDodge) investigated:

Night 0 he investigated Cheesefan (in his first role), which returned a guilty result. That role also happened to be killed Night 0, and turned up innocent.

Night 1 AndrewS was investigated and returned a guilty result.

Not sure how much good that does, but there you go. I suppose it doesn't really do any harm, in any case.
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Post Post #538 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2007 7:39 pm

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Hmm-Jdodge spent the beginning of today attacking AndrewS fairly strongly. That doesn't really fit with his claimed investigation result.
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Post Post #539 (ISO) » Mon May 07, 2007 8:09 pm

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I can't really help what Jdodge did. It's fairly obvious he wasn't paying much attention to the game. Or could have been pushing that lynch to help him find out his role, but that's pretty bad playing, if you ask me.

I dunno what to say. I can't tell you to ignore everything he posted because I replaced him, it's part of what should be considered. But I can't really defend against it either.
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Post Post #540 (ISO) » Tue May 08, 2007 5:26 am

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Thok wrote:Hmm-Jdodge spent the beginning of today attacking AndrewS fairly strongly. That doesn't really fit with his claimed investigation result.
I think this is a good point. I also think that it's a fairly convenient claim -- "I'm a cop, so don't kill me, but by the information I've revealed you'll have no way of disproving that I'm a cop." If he's faking it, he could very easily string us along with fake results until the end of the game. If he's telling the truth, he's pretty useless unless he's insane, in which case we've at least cleared AndrewS.

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Post Post #541 (ISO) » Tue May 08, 2007 6:02 am

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Unfortunately, Cam, we wouldn't be able to tell the difference bewteen Insane/Paranoid until we either get more results and/or one of his investigation targets (AndrewS or a future one?) turns up as guilty scum.

The claim *does* seem convenient, but if Cavane was going down, I don't see why he wouldn't claim to be a regular Cop hoping for a counterclaim. WIFOM I know, but I'm not yet willing to drop the hammer. I want to think a bit, and I'd like to hear some more thoughts/opinions on the matter.

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Post Post #542 (ISO) » Tue May 08, 2007 7:34 am

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For what it's worth, I'm not fond of his King Steve name claim either.
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Post Post #543 (ISO) » Tue May 08, 2007 9:09 am

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Eh.
unvote
. I'm not sure I believe the claim, but if he is an insane cop lynching him day 2 would be a bad idea. If he dosn't die and we still don't trust him, we can lynch him tommorow if we want, and that way we'd at least get another investigation out of it.
Thok wrote:For what it's worth, I'm not fond of his King Steve name claim either.
Why is that? I don't really have a problem with the name-claim.
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Post Post #544 (ISO) » Tue May 08, 2007 9:53 am

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I admit King Steve is likely to be in the game, but I'm not sure given what names/roles we've seen that King Steve is likely to be protown.
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Post Post #545 (ISO) » Tue May 08, 2007 9:57 am

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Eh. That's fair enouh, I have no idea what alignment king steve would be. I have trouble picturing him as part of an originized scum group, although who knows. And, the character clearly is insane, so that fits.

Basically, I don't see any reason to expect we'll get much useful information from rolenames, unless there's a counterclaim.
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Post Post #546 (ISO) » Tue May 08, 2007 10:07 am

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....are you trying to suggest that somebody counterclaim a claimed Paranoid/Insane Cop?

No. Just... no.
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Post Post #547 (ISO) » Tue May 08, 2007 11:00 am

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What?

No, not at all. I said ROLE NAMES aren't going to give us much info unless someone counterclaims the ROLE NAME. That is, his name claim of Kin Steave dosn't tell us much; the only way it possibly could would be if someone else claimed King Steave, and the same is true of most other name claims I can think of; if Rex was a maifa spy, then I'm not really expecting name claims to tell us much unless there's a counterclaim of the name someone claims.

So no, I'm not interested in getting a cop to counterclaim, especally as there might in theory be 2 cops if one is not sane. The only counterclaim I'd want to hear would be if someone else is King Steve, and I thought it was obveous that's what me and Thok were talking about.
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Post Post #548 (ISO) » Tue May 08, 2007 11:04 am

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Oh. I misinterpreted. My bad. :oops:
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Post Post #549 (ISO) » Wed May 09, 2007 5:43 pm

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Well, since I'm not lynched by now, I guess I'm not going to be quite yet. How do we proceed from here? I think we need a replacement on AndrewS before we can really move much further ahead. Or if I do end up getting lynched Today, or NKed, I can replace him.
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