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Post Post #525 (ISO) » Wed May 28, 2014 12:38 pm

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:: VoteCount 2x4 ::


cxinlee (5)
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StrangerCoug, Aegor, snscompt1, Porkens, Paschendale
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StrangerCoug (1)
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Post Post #526 (ISO) » Wed May 28, 2014 1:09 pm

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In post 523, Snarky wrote:
In post 521, StrangerCoug wrote:
Your rationale for cx-town makes no sense to me here, Snarky. What, exactly, do you think is precluding him from seeing sns and Porkens as a threat, given that he knew they were masons before they claimed?
Not sure of the meaning of the question.
cxinlee knew of snscompt1 and Porkens being masons before they claimed, yet you bring up that cx was voting Pork. If any of the scum can read the mason thread, they should have long known by now that they can't keep them alive forever. That's too injurious to the scum. I think cxinlee was trying to discredit Porkens as much as possible.
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Post Post #527 (ISO) » Wed May 28, 2014 1:39 pm

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Yeah but then why cxinlee would have said "I also have a theory I'm quite sure is true"? If cxinlee's plan, as scum, was just trying to lynch one of the masons, he wouldn't have said that. It really feels scumhunt motivated and not scum motivated.
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Post Post #528 (ISO) » Thu May 29, 2014 12:10 am

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Post Post #529 (ISO) » Thu May 29, 2014 5:01 am

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In post 527, Snarky wrote:Yeah but then why cxinlee would have said "I also have a theory I'm quite sure is true"? If cxinlee's plan, as scum, was just trying to lynch one of the masons, he wouldn't have said that. It really feels scumhunt motivated and not scum motivated.
What do you think that theory is?
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Post Post #530 (ISO) » Thu May 29, 2014 5:54 am

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Cx should tell us or face the rope.
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Post Post #531 (ISO) » Thu May 29, 2014 8:24 am

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So,
Pork and sns
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guarantees[/i] of each others' alignments. Is that correct?

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Post Post #532 (ISO) » Thu May 29, 2014 9:48 am

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In post 508, idk wrote:Is a neighborhood a somewhat common thing here on MS? (and I'd like someone
other
than Porkens or the 4 people he mentioned to answer that)
Still would like this to be answered.
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StrangerCoug wrote:
In post 523, Snarky wrote:
In post 521, StrangerCoug wrote:
Your rationale for cx-town makes no sense to me here, Snarky. What, exactly, do you think is precluding him from seeing sns and Porkens as a threat, given that he knew they were masons before they claimed?
Not sure of the meaning of the question.
cxinlee knew of snscompt1 and Porkens being masons before they claimed, yet you bring up that cx was voting Pork. If any of the scum can read the mason thread, they should have long known by now that they can't keep them alive forever. That's too injurious to the scum. I think cxinlee was trying to discredit Porkens as much as possible.
Well there's always the possibility of neighbors. That's why I want my question (and I suppose Aegor's most recent question, as well) answered.
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Post Post #533 (ISO) » Thu May 29, 2014 1:03 pm

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Mod confirmed town masons
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Post Post #534 (ISO) » Thu May 29, 2014 4:16 pm

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In post 531, Aegor wrote:Fine with cxinlee lynch.
I'd rather have Pasch.

VOTE: Paschendale

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I suppose some explanations are in order. I finished my first read through.
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StrangerCoug and RedCoyote are town reads of mine. I assume there is at least one scum on this wagon, though. Leaving me a group of [Aegor, Paschendale and Snarky]
In the off the wagon group, I've got [idk, cxinlee, and Saki]. These 6 are the ones that I plan to look into deeper. In the short term, we've got network connectivity to consider. So, pasch and cxinlee both seem like fine lynches from either point of view. My feeling is that it is Pasch.

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In post 513, Porkens wrote:No, the observing nodes were not explicitly told who all was in the thread. Only me and sns knew everything. We told them we were masons in thread, but not who all was there
No, you mentioned in the subthread who else had access to it. It's one of the things that was driving me crazy as I read through day 1 and tried to follow who was doing what and why. All of us knew who was able to see the thread. It was something to keep in mind while reading the interactions. StrangerCoug's IGMEOY was clearly designed to help sns live through the night (so to speak), the lack of vote signaled this fairly clearly.

I don't know what cxinlee is thinking, but I do not think he would try and get a mason claim lynched as scum. At least, not when the two masons could be joined by the two additional observers against him. 12 players alive, 7 to lynch. The masons wouldn't vote for each other and neither SC (I presume) or I would vote for the masons either. That leaves 7 of 8 players to get a mason lynch. What happens if such a lynch does appear inevitable? The masons claim. Now what? The masons and the two observers turn on cxinlee. It just wouldn't work out.

I'll attest that snscompt1 and Porkens claimed to be masons in the subthread. I do not believe they are lying.
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Post Post #535 (ISO) » Thu May 29, 2014 4:27 pm

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I am down for a pash lynch for certain.

I totally forgot about naming names in the thread, that was dopey of me!
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Post Post #536 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 12:26 am

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Unvote

Vote:Paschendale
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Post Post #537 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 6:10 am

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Okay, so I guess we're back in business. sns, why are you voting cxinlee after what happened D1? Or did you already explain this?
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Post Post #538 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 6:28 am

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vote: pasch
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Post Post #539 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 8:10 am

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The Rufflig: Why StrangerCoug town?
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Post Post #540 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 9:36 am

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So... what exactly are the reasons people are voting me? Cuz it looks like one unfounded assumption and bad PoE, and two people jumping on the wagon for no reason. Well, Snarky because I disagree with him and call him stupid. Porkens because... I agreed with him?

You guys just throwing darts to decide your votes or what?
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Post Post #541 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 12:14 pm

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In post 539, Snarky wrote:The Rufflig: Why StrangerCoug town?
I spent a lot of time looking at the masons and the other observers of the subthread. I didn't pay as much attention as I should have to nearly anyone else. I think the underlying reason is fairly obvious, but I'll state it, anyhow. The observers [cxinlee, StrangerCoug and myself] sort of form a neighborhood. It is pretty common for there to be a scum member in a neighborhood of 3 or more. After sns misplayed his hand against cx, SC took up damage control. A PR seen as town is a grave threat to the scum. A discredited PR may sometimes hang around an extra day or two. Added to the other votes against sns, SC's stated willingness to vote for sns appeared to be an attempt to keep sns in the game - on the rare chance that the scum did not already know exactly who the masons were.

Other than that, I've no strong reasons to believe SC is town. Overall, I've liked SC's play and I agree with some of the ideas that he has put forth. If there is a scum within the quasi neighborhood, I suspect it is cxinlee.

As far as the read on RC - *ahem*. I kept thinking "Shut up! Shut up! Shut Up! You're going to get sns killed!" as I read his vocal defensive of sns.

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I'd like to take a moment to give a few of my own thoughts on the setup. I don't believe the setup is as predictable as BC was advocating. Kunkstar7 is better at setups than that - also the game was reviewed.

1) The scum may not be able to hit every node.
Even if they can do so now, they may not be able to once they start losing members.

2) There may be some hidden links between nodes to throw off calculations such as BC was making.
3) The scum may have one member who can hit others from a distance greater than 1 node away or the scum may have a limited number of times that they can hit someone from a distance greater than 1.
4) Other mechanic to keep calculations such as BC's from breaking things.

I think the 1 node distance may be a good guideline, but I am not in favor of relying on it blindly.
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Post Post #542 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 12:33 pm

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okay finally got on
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Post Post #543 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 12:35 pm

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In post 530, Paschendale wrote:Cx should tell us or face the rope.
It involves revealing sns' role, so I'd rather not.
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Post Post #544 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 12:38 pm

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In post 543, cxinlee wrote:
In post 530, Paschendale wrote:Cx should tell us or face the rope.
It involves revealing sns' role, so I'd rather not.
The cat is already out of the bag :facepalm:
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Post Post #545 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 12:48 pm

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eh he claimed, so doesn't matter anyway.

My theory: sns and porkens were in a neighborhood, so I was pretty sure 1 was scum.
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Post Post #546 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 12:50 pm

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In post 513, Porkens wrote:No, the observing nodes were not explicitly told who all was in the thread. Only me and sns knew everything. We told them we were masons in thread, but not who all was there.
I don't remember you saying that.
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Post Post #547 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 12:53 pm

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In post 545, cxinlee wrote:My theory: sns and porkens were in a neighborhood, so I was pretty sure 1 was scum.
They both claimed masons in their subsection on May 11. You voted Porkens on May 20, almost a week and a half later. Do you even give the slightest iota about this game?
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Post Post #548 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 12:57 pm

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In post 541, The Rufflig wrote:
The Rufflig: Why StrangerCoug town?

I spent a lot of time looking at the masons and the other observers of the subthread. I didn't pay as much attention as I should have to nearly anyone else. I think the underlying reason is fairly obvious, but I'll state it, anyhow. The observers [cxinlee, StrangerCoug and myself] sort of form a neighborhood. It is pretty common for there to be a scum member in a neighborhood of 3 or more. After sns misplayed his hand against cx, SC took up damage control. A PR seen as town is a grave threat to the scum. A discredited PR may sometimes hang around an extra day or two. Added to the other votes against sns, SC's stated willingness to vote for sns appeared to be an attempt to keep sns in the game - on the rare chance that the scum did not already know exactly who the masons were.
I see your point here. At the same time, I don't know how scum play would differ from town play in that situation. SC couldn't vote for sns without arising suspicion on him from the masons and all the observers. Yet it really feels formulated like a warning from town... Yeah, I'll keep that in mind.
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Post Post #549 (ISO) » Fri May 30, 2014 1:00 pm

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In post 547, StrangerCoug wrote:
In post 545, cxinlee wrote:My theory: sns and porkens were in a neighborhood, so I was pretty sure 1 was scum.
They both claimed masons in their subsection on May 11. You voted Porkens on May 20, almost a week and a half later. Do you even give the slightest iota about this game?
I literally just checked.

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