Mini 502: Basically Communist Mafia- Game Over. Who won?


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Post Post #525 (ISO) » Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:18 am

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I am still all about a massclaim. pdcakes having an unchallenged cop claim even makes it a better time to do it.
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Post Post #526 (ISO) » Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:19 am

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The Fonz wrote:I didn't 'flipflop' on a cop claim, Adel. I was opposed yesterday, and in favour today, because a claim yesterday favoured scum whilst one today favours town.
fair enough.

do you support a massclaim todays?
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Post Post #527 (ISO) » Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:25 am

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I support a doc claim, as i've made clear. If there are other power roles, i don't see the need in outing them unless they are run up.
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Post Post #528 (ISO) » Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:29 am

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Lynch: The Fonz
Support a massclaim or perish
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Post Post #529 (ISO) » Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:30 am

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New claim order: The Fonz, Nocmen, Adel, JDodge
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Post Post #530 (ISO) » Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:43 am

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Adel. Please explain why a massclaim benefits town at this juncture.
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Post Post #531 (ISO) » Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:13 am

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Because with this many left, we really can't afford a mislynch. By going about, we could possibly narrow down the possibilites to a few people. Bascially, it's an ultimatum for the town today, where we lose if we do otherwise. We need to get the highest chances we have of elminating scum today. There might not be a tomorrow.
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Post Post #532 (ISO) » Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:24 am

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The Fonz wrote:Adel. Please explain why a massclaim benefits town at this juncture.
Because it forces you to decide if you can pull off bullshitting us into believing hat you are a vig and not an SK.
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Post Post #533 (ISO) » Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:41 am

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For a lynch:

The Fonz (1)- Adel
For a protection:
For an investigation:
SEND THE VECTOIDS
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Post Post #534 (ISO) » Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:49 am

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Adel wrote:
The Fonz wrote:Adel. Please explain why a massclaim benefits town at this juncture.
Because it forces you to decide if you can pull off bullshitting us into believing hat you are a vig and not an SK.
Someone appears to know I'm not scum...
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Post Post #535 (ISO) » Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:52 am

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no, I'm simply convinced that you are our SK.
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Post Post #536 (ISO) » Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:20 am

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Lynch: The Fonz


Sorry, I forgot to mark that as a lynch vote
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Post Post #537 (ISO) » Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:24 am

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jdodge: reasoning?
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Post Post #538 (ISO) » Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:26 am

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pdcakes wrote:jdodge: reasoning?
Why are you only asking me for reasoning?
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Post Post #539 (ISO) » Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:28 am

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mainly because you havent said anything for awhile and then you just come in and vote for the fonz.

It bothered me.

So i asked why you voted the fonz. And im still interested
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Post Post #540 (ISO) » Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:30 am

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This is maddening.

Adel is likely scum, pushing a plan CLEARLY TO THE TOWN'S DETRIMENT, and I'm getting voted for it.
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Post Post #541 (ISO) » Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:32 am

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The Fonz wrote:This is maddening.

Adel is likely scum, pushing a plan CLEARLY TO THE TOWN'S DETRIMENT, and I'm getting voted for it.
How the hell is finding innocents in possible lylo (assuming 2 kills tonight) to the town's detriment?
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Post Post #542 (ISO) » Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:16 am

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JDodge wrote:
The Fonz wrote:This is maddening.

Adel is likely scum, pushing a plan CLEARLY TO THE TOWN'S DETRIMENT, and I'm getting voted for it.
How the hell is finding innocents in possible lylo (assuming 2 kills tonight) to the town's detriment?
This is what I get for not going through 'Game theory for the hard of thinking' earlier.

We have five alive. One uncounterclaimed cop, and one guy with an innocent on him.

Doc should claim. If not counterclaimed (and anyone other than JD) we have one more confirmed innocent. If counterclaimed, we have confirmed scum. (SK can't afford to counterclaim; scum can only if two are left).

With no counterclaim, that means: If JDodge not doc:

Two unconfirmed, cop protected, lynch one, investigate other. If comes up guilty, good good. If not, we have pdcakes choosing between two non-cops as to who is GF, in which case claims are basically irrelevent anyway.

If JDodge doc:

Three unconfirmed, lynch one, investigate one of the other two, if comes up innocent, lynch the other one.

Any claim other than doc or cop does not confirm an innocent. A vig claim cannot be trusted in a game where an SK is a strong possibility.

Now, I've never ever seen a mini with both an SK and four scum. Never mind one with the town also getting their investigations announced beforehand. So that means, I'm pretty damn sure either there is only one mafioso left, or we have a vig, so either way it's not LYLO.

If we have a vig, the worst case scenario ( a counterclaim and an incorrect lynch) still allows the vig to off the fakeclaiming scum and keep the town alive into endgame, with the cop alive.

If it's an SK, and only one scum, the remaining scum cannot afford to claim doc or vig, for obvious reasons, so it's either going to be townie or a less obvious power role.

The SK may or may not try to claim vig. There are advantages and disadvatanges, which I'm not going into since I don't want to give a potential SK any ideas.

So, at the end of the day, THE ONLY REAL NET CONSEQUENCE OF A MASS CLAIM is that if there are town power roles that aren't cops or docs (or vigs, since anyone claiming vig will be either vig or SK), they're put in the worst situation possible- the scum know they're telling the truth, but the town can't trust them.
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Post Post #543 (ISO) » Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:55 am

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Why would it make any sense whatsoever for there to be power roles besides a cop and a doc in this setup?
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Post Post #544 (ISO) » Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:58 am

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sounds like evasion to me.

I wonder what claim the Fonz is going to come up with.

I am a vanilla townie, so he can't claim that, he can't claim cop, and he won't claim doc for fear of the the real doc counter claiming. Sounds like a good lynch to me.
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Post Post #545 (ISO) » Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:28 pm

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Lynch: The Fonz
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Post Post #546 (ISO) » Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:32 pm

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For a lynch:
The Fonz (3)- Adel, Jdodge, Nocmen
For a protection:
For an investigation:

TheFonz, mafia goon, is lynched day five.

Two more choices.
SEND THE VECTOIDS
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Post Post #547 (ISO) » Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:34 pm

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WOOOOOOOOOOO

Protect: pdcakes

Investigate: Nocmen
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Post Post #548 (ISO) » Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:34 pm

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Why didn't anybody tell me it was day four. ):
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Post Post #549 (ISO) » Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:53 pm

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Might as well do this now. I'm the doctor.

Protect: pdcakes

Investigate: Adel
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