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This is my username wrote: The fact that Not_Mafia was, well, not mafia was surprising.

This.

A very large portion of my case against PantherPunt was built upon the that Not_Mafia, with his instant hammer of me (I did self-hammer; I self-voted specifically as a gambit), was scum. With that not being the case, a large portion of it fell apart.

But as I said in the twilight PT: I offered to take full blame for the loss, so I am. It was my fault.

As if it's not because I was super towny D:

Well I thought you were town, yes, but not to the extent where I was just going to assume it.

I self-voted as a gambit to see how you and Not_Mafia reacted. I was expecting Not_Mafia, as town, to not self-hammer, and as scum, to self-hammer. I was expecting feedback from you about second-guessing yourself if you were town, and either a full reversal or a hammer vote if you were scum.

I was wrong on on all accounts there, thus, I take full accountability for the result of the game. I do apologize to Postie, TIMU, and Rhaegar for that.

*Expecting Not_Mafia as town, to not hammer me after my self-vote, and as scum, to hammer me after my self-vote.

And because I don't think Maestro linked to it:
This was my thought process.

I think my play was one of the towniest I've pulled off in this game and you were just genuinely not very towny so I'm not surprised at all that NM quickhammered you.

Except this was my normal game, and my impression of Not_Mafia is that he would have been smart enough to make the tactically-correct move: hammer as scum, don't hammer as town.

This was exactly the same reason I townread TheTrollie, too: TheTrollie had the means and method to hammer PantherPunt. PantherPunt was very largely suspicious in the eyes of literally every town player in the game at the time. He was voted by TIMU. TheTrollie had previously scumread PantherPunt. Nobody would have scumread TheTrollie for a hammer there, and yet he didn't hammer.

I think he was fairly sure I was town and felt like your reaction test might make me townread you so he wanted to get the hammer down and clear himself and not risk a mislynch in the group.

Sowwy.

(And, for the curious: TIMU voted PantherPunt in 9. That lasted until 420. TheTrollie posted a good 20 or so times in that time frame without hammering, in spite of having the PantherPunt scumread and in spite of {TIMU, Postie, Ranger} all scumreading him and Killthestory also having a scumread there. The only town player in the game at the time--because Not_Mafia was not yet in the game--was Rhaegar. I still don't get why he didn't, in fact.)

*the only town player in the game at the time not scumreading PantherPunt.

Apparently, when I lose a game I also lose my ability to type coherently.

Because we wanted to pick our lynches so taht you would vengekill scum.

vengekill town*

the Panther getting venged thing was planned.

Ah.

Was he coached into doing it, then? Or was it his idea? Because it just seemed so....

No, he was just V/LA then when he got back we said to go for TIMU but take it slow and what happened happened

Ranger, did your reads get less accurate because of the setup ?

In this setup, it can be dangerous to hammer if you look scummy afterwards ? Maybe Not Mafia didn't realise this at first ?

But that's always the case.

Maybe he thought he'd win the group and that would be fine ?
To be frank I thought NotMafia was KainTepes so I'd expect him to always hammer.

↑ Ranger wrote:And because I don't think Maestro linked to it:
This was my thought process.

Holy heck. An impressive amount of thought went into that.

BlueTrin wrote:Ranger, did your reads get less accurate because of the setup ?

Maybe? I mean, I did have at least some justification for my reads: Killthestory WAS scum who hammered the moment an opportunity arose. (And, yes. I legitimately did not notice that Rhaegar had been hammered, would not have scumread Rhaegar near the end if I had realized this.) So Not_Mafia hammering made every bit of sense coming from scum and none from town.

RC acting town did help of course, but Not_Mafia's hammer was the real clincher. If Not_Mafia had not hammered me, then it would have done two things. One, given me serious reason to doubt he would be scum, and two, force RC to interact with me in a way that RC would potentially reveal his alignment. (Thus, why I cast the self-vote in the first place. I knew from the setup that it was a viable strategy for gathering information and also not the end of the world should I get lynched, since I would still have the vengekill.) But because he hammer me, that never happened.

Postie wrote:An impressive amount of thought went into that.

Of course. When I was lynched, there was a time crunch: Maestro could have logged on at literally any moment and locked the thread, so I was forced to do short, uninformative, vague posts to act as a guideline. (For instance, had PantherPunt been lynched and flipped town, I can guarantee I'd have vengekilled either KTS or TheTrollie, probably TheTrollie, but since the was lynched, the guaranteed-win I had in mind suddenly became a 50/50 at best.)

When I was in the twilight thread, there was no such time limitation. As a result, I could spend my time explaining myself. As for why I didn't explain prior to that: the game was short. It was still in the early phases of the game, and I never explain things then. We were reaching the point where if I was asked to explain, I would, but nobody did, thus, why it never materialized until after I was dead.

I generally do whatever I like to in games, but usually, "whatever I like to" is still "make plans of some sort for the objectively-best plays".

And I maintain this setup is town-sided if played properly. Killthestory was exposed as scum because you were obvtown. Had we lynched one of {TheTrollie, PantherPunt}, we would have exposed scum either way because TIMU was obviously town (the play here being literally to the play last game). The one failing point in this is RC, but that would have been out of my hands anyway since had we vengekilled scum it'd have been one of {Killthestory, TheTrollie}, you guys probably would have lynched the other, and RC would have arranged for you (the only player capable of catching him) to die, leaving him in a position where he'd win 3p lylo anyway. (It didn't help that, immediately after TIMU self-hammered, Not_Mafia said all three lynches were on town, a fact which Not_Mafia should not have been predicting if he was town given his hammer on me. That really DID read as a scum flip.)

Since TIMU was lynched, my plan for winning the game was thrown out of whack.

And I guess that does answer BlueTrin's question. One curveball I could handle. Three (missing KTS's hammer, Not_Mafia hammering, TIMU being lynched instead of someone else in that group), not so much.

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