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anyone we jail most likely can't both roleblock us and kill*

grammar is really hard

WAIT.

That means we're clear since us being alive confirms we jailkept Limit. The only way we're not clear is if

1) You think we're a Bulletproof (unlikely seeing as we had a mafia loyal doc flip)
2) You think we can jailkeep and kill in the same night (unlikely that RC would give us that ability when he specified in the opening post that it would not be the default)

3) You think there are two scum remaining

Can you explain about how you being alive clears you? Like, just genuinely missing it.

Limit is a vig. He claimed to target us, but we're alive because we jailkept him.

According to the rules post, scum can't use the factional kill and their own role abilities in the same night by default.

Ranger was the target of a factional kill.

This means that one of the following HAS to be true:

1) We can use our factional kill and our role ability in the same night, as an exception to the standard rule.
2) There are multiple scum alive, allowing us to jail Limit while our partner killed Ranger.
3) We're a bulletproof, saving us from Limit's kill while we killed Ranger.
4) We're not scum.

1) is highly unlikely, considering a jailkeep is a powerful action.
2) is highly unlikely, considering that would mean 5 scum in a 13 person setup. Even with a NU scumrole like White Light had, that's crazy.
3) is a bit more likely, but consider the facts. First off; we've seen a mafia doctor flip. This was mafia's protection from the vig; having a BP on top of that is a bit crazy. Second; we claimed to jailkeep Limit before he claimed to vig us, so there's no way it was a reactive claim.
4) The truth of the matter, and there's really nothing that makes it unlikely.

Regardless, if you're worried that any of the first three is what happened, Limit can target us again tonight and now that he's ascetic we can't block him, in accordance with the plans I laid out.

DA, did your role PM say there was scum in the neighbourhood or one scum in the neighbourhood?

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If the only way you're ever going to trust us is by us being put in the dirt, then so be it. But we're basically as clear as Postie at this point.

P-Edit: It said there was at least one scum.

Okay, then Bella being scum still makes the most sense.

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Option 1) becomes even more unlikely when you consider that unless we knew Ranger was Macho (and it's unlikely Ircher rolecopped her since she did claim d1), if we had the ability to jail and kill in one night we almost certainly would have jailed Yume and kill Ranger.

Can we just lynch Bella? I suppose Gamma's not completely off the hook yet but we can let the night actions take care of that.

VOTE: Bellaphant

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We should make sure everyone agrees to a plan before voting. Rushing lynches is what got us into this mess.

I mean, not that this is necessarily a bad situation. But it still woulda been nice if Ranger had outted their check like, 2 days ago.

like the only way i think we could lose with pretty much any of these plans is if postie is mafia that could only redirect the lynch to another mafia member, which seems insane but technically possible

if we can fiddle with the plan to make that not a possibility either and kill/confirm everyone else let's do it, I'll take a look in a few hours if nobody else does before then.

looking into role flavors to make sure that something like a redirector or strongman (or anything else powerful enough to fuck with the plan even if scum have to sacrifice their kill to do it) aren't reasonably possible fakeclaims for anyone's claimed characters might be worthwhile too.

In post 527, Demonic Angel wrote:3) You think there are two scum remaining

Please no. That would just be cruel.

I'm in favor of the lynch Bella plan, as I'm pretty sure Demonic is conftown given that they claimed their action before we did. Demonic jailkeeps Postie, which minimizes the danger in the scenario where Postie is scum, Yume protects Gamma, and Gamma checks Yume. We don't shoot. Then either we die, and Yume is either confscum or conftown making Gamma confscum, or Yume dies, making Gamma confscum again. Upon no kill we lynch Yume if there's a guilty, otherwise Gamma and jailkeep Postie who is confscum if Gamma flips town. If this made no sense just say so and I'll lay it out more clearly.
-smart

I like the sound of that.

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In post 540, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:I'm in favor of the lynch Bella plan, as I'm pretty sure Demonic is conftown given that they claimed their action before we did.

In fairness, there is a scum rolecop and scum knows there's a vig and I think Bella had claimed by that point. we could have predicted you shot us if we're a BP.

Not that I'd to a plan in which you don't kill us, obviously, but I do worry about us not being trusted and putting a wrench in things. If town can agree that we are clear, then we are indeed in autowin as you've laid out.

I'm town.if lynching me gives us the easy win, do it.

But the rest of you better be bloody fucking confident

In post 540, The Limit Does Not Exist wrote:I'm in favor of the lynch Bella plan, as I'm pretty sure Demonic is conftown given that they claimed their action before we did. Demonic jailkeeps Postie, which minimizes the danger in the scenario where Postie is scum, Yume protects Gamma, and Gamma checks Yume. We don't shoot. Then either we die, and Yume is either confscum or conftown making Gamma confscum, or Yume dies, making Gamma confscum again.

This is one the part of the plan I don't get, actually. If we lynch Bella and you die, we end up with 4 players left. I'll have jailed Postie, so we'll both be confirmed town. But Gamma will just guilty Yume regardless. It'll then be mylo and we'll need to choose between Gamma and Yume.

I am still iffy about you, Demonic, but I can give you a benefit of the doubt. You know what could put a wrench in this plan of yours, though? It's you jailkeeping me or Gamma.

If I jail Gamma or you, Gamma will get a no result, thus knowing I interfered.

And again, that assumes that I forgo killing in order to jailkeep one of you. Which... why?

@Demonic: You can lynch one and jail the other in that scenario. Quite honestly I find it unlikely that either is scum.
-smart