Thesp, I'm really, really sorry if you're telling the truth (I always hate punishing replacers for their predecessor's mistakes), but roffman has provided a mess of conflicting information, and even if you're telling the truth, it's just made it worse. Clearly his claim led us to a mislynch on day one, so especially with the new claim, we really have no choice but to LAL and hope it works. The only Thesp I can be comfortable with is a dead one.
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Thesp, I'm really, really sorry if you're telling the truth (I always hate punishing replacers for their predecessor's mistakes), but roffman has provided a mess of conflicting information, and even if you're telling the truth, it's just made it worse. Clearly his claim led us to a mislynch on day one, so especially with the new claim, we really have no choice but to LAL and hope it works. The only Thesp I can be comfortable with is a dead one.
Thesp, I'm really, really sorry if you're telling the truth (I always hate punishing replacers for their predecessor's mistakes), but roffman has provided a mess of conflicting information, and even if you're telling the truth, it's just made it worse. Clearly his claim led us to a mislynch on day one, so especially with the new claim, we really have no choice but to LAL and hope it works. The only Thesp I can be comfortable with is a dead one.
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I'm all for the Lynch All Liars, as in most cases, townies do not have any reasons to lie, and should they do so, they'll endanger the town's ability to figure things out.
However, I'm still interested in whether roffman or Thesp lied, or if it was both. The way I see it, the most probable way;
Roffman was lying, Thesp accidentally told the truth, but not the whole truth, and is now trying to cover up with the excuse that the former misunderstood the information given to him. I do agree that it is pretty silly, if Thesp were to be scum, not to build upon roffman's story, but it's pretty much WIFOM. With the undeniable truth that at least one of them was lying, I agree that a Thesp lynch would be suitable for today.
However, as previously stated, I'm still interested as to if there was any truth in any of the two's claims. Is there any hold in the groupings of colours?
However, I'm still interested in whether roffman or Thesp lied, or if it was both. The way I see it, the most probable way;
Roffman was lying, Thesp accidentally told the truth, but not the whole truth, and is now trying to cover up with the excuse that the former misunderstood the information given to him. I do agree that it is pretty silly, if Thesp were to be scum, not to build upon roffman's story, but it's pretty much WIFOM. With the undeniable truth that at least one of them was lying, I agree that a Thesp lynch would be suitable for today.
However, as previously stated, I'm still interested as to if there was any truth in any of the two's claims. Is there any hold in the groupings of colours?
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Hmm, just doing some math.
Based on Dizzy's lay out we are at 5/2/2 right now. Incorrect lynch could put us at 2/2/2, or 3/2/1. The deadline doesn't help, but we should consider things as long as possible before lynching here. Correct lynch is 3/2/1 worst case, also possibly 4/1/1 or 4/2.
Based on Dizzy's lay out we are at 5/2/2 right now. Incorrect lynch could put us at 2/2/2, or 3/2/1. The deadline doesn't help, but we should consider things as long as possible before lynching here. Correct lynch is 3/2/1 worst case, also possibly 4/1/1 or 4/2.
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I feel the need to point out that given the presence of people with multiple win conditions in the game, your math could beentirely wrong.
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The beginning of this game was horrid on nearly everyone's part. Capricious is just about the only one who made any sense (though armlx had some shining moments, despite some flashes of questionable play).
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Frick, I just got to the point where Capricious voted for himself AND CLAIMED COP IN THE SAME POST. Listen carefully, peoples on the internets:
DON'T EVER FRICKING VOTE FOR YOURSELF. EVER EVER EVER. THERE HAD BETTER BE SOME AWESOME, AWESOME REASON FOR DOING SO, AND "BECAUSE THE BAD PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE ME" IS NEVER A GOOD ENOUGH REASON.
It's often useful to find out who's willing to hammer and who's not. It's ESPECIALLY USEFUL TO CLAIM FRICKING COP AND SEE WHO WILL VOTE YOU AND WHO WON'T.
I may stop allowing self-voters into games I run. Sheesh.
On to this most recent junk.
Who else do you think are scum? You haven't answered that.
I don't like windkirby's posts throughout the game in the least. My best guesses at scum are a windkirby/Oman/????? mafia, and DizzyIzzyB13 as cult leader. (DI as Cult Leader makes a heck of a lot of sense.) It really, really important to get people to talk about who else they think is scum right now, because there's not enough discussion by people on other people besides me (and dead people). I'm an easy lynch right now and I understand that, and tomorrow we need more to go on.
I'd also like for people to consider what roffman would have to gain by coming out D1 like he did if he's scum in any way, shape or form. I sure don't see it. (I also think his lies about his role were terrible play, but I can at least imagine a reason he'd make them, even if I think he's wrong.)
Why would he do it?
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The Capricious lynch was terrible, by the way. I know my predecessor helped spur it, but none of his play has been stellar, either. He should have come out D1 and said he was a miller, for starters, and he should not have lied about parts of his role. I'd like to clear up one thing - I'm not NK-invincible. (I don't know what the heck he was thinking when he made that up.)Capricious wrote:Despite this, roffman isn't scum, because he has no incentive to be putting himself at the center of attention, unless he is a mistaken town. I am fairly certain that the scum are distributed between the lurkers and the people edging roffman in their unholy endeavors.
Frick, I just got to the point where Capricious voted for himself AND CLAIMED COP IN THE SAME POST. Listen carefully, peoples on the internets:
DON'T EVER FRICKING VOTE FOR YOURSELF. EVER EVER EVER. THERE HAD BETTER BE SOME AWESOME, AWESOME REASON FOR DOING SO, AND "BECAUSE THE BAD PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE ME" IS NEVER A GOOD ENOUGH REASON.
It's often useful to find out who's willing to hammer and who's not. It's ESPECIALLY USEFUL TO CLAIM FRICKING COP AND SEE WHO WILL VOTE YOU AND WHO WON'T.
I may stop allowing self-voters into games I run. Sheesh.
On to this most recent junk.
It would be fairly easy to make his claim fit in a relatively reasonable manner, I think, if need be. I don't see the need to do so, though.DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:Of course, the alternative explanation is that roffman's claims got him into trouble and you're trying to worm out of it with the "my predecessor was incompetent approach".
I don't have a face. That may be part of it.DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:I don't know what your image looks like, but mine looks vaguely like a Jawa with a scarf. Sort of like this:
So let me understand this - you think it would be silly for me to not build on roffman's story if I'm scum, but that I likely did so anyway?Tyfo wrote:Roffman was lying, Thesp accidentally told the truth, but not the whole truth, and is now trying to cover up with the excuse that the former misunderstood the information given to him. I do agree that it is pretty silly, if Thesp were to be scum, not to build upon roffman's story, but it's pretty much WIFOM. With the undeniable truth that at least one of them was lying, I agree that a Thesp lynch would be suitable for today.
Who else do you think are scum? You haven't answered that.
I don't like windkirby's posts throughout the game in the least. My best guesses at scum are a windkirby/Oman/????? mafia, and DizzyIzzyB13 as cult leader. (DI as Cult Leader makes a heck of a lot of sense.) It really, really important to get people to talk about who else they think is scum right now, because there's not enough discussion by people on other people besides me (and dead people). I'm an easy lynch right now and I understand that, and tomorrow we need more to go on.
I'd also like for people to consider what roffman would have to gain by coming out D1 like he did if he's scum in any way, shape or form. I sure don't see it. (I also think his lies about his role were terrible play, but I can at least imagine a reason he'd make them, even if I think he's wrong.)
Why would he do it?
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Where is everyone? Get posting. Seriously.
This is exactly the time that scum want to lay low - at a moment of contentiousness.
For all you town out there, you want to be posting to draw attention to their lurkiness, and to make them post more on a controversial issue. Also, there are other players besides me - we need to be forcing people into concretizing their thoughts on others
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Good question.windkirby wrote:Well-said. Do Serous, Oman, Ration, and ZONEACE have replacements yet?
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Already have. I'll be looking for replacements to any of them who don't start posting.
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Offering to claim certainly moved you up the list, though - and seems entirely unnecessary when Thesp is the runaway leader in the lynch stakes at the moment.
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Why would scum offer to claim right now? What makes that indicate he's mroe likely to be scum?DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:Offering to claim certainly moved you up the list, though - and seems entirely unnecessary when Thesp is the runaway leader in the lynch stakes at the moment.
I think you're simply taking anything that looks odd to you and calling it scummy.
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It's represenattive of the notion he has that he was even vaguely close to being lynched even though there's hardly any attention to him and no case built against him beyond lurking that indicates an excessive paranoia most likely found in scum. Given that there's no real apparent pressure on him, he hasn't been asked to claim by anyone and the only mention of him has been to encourage posting on account of his lurking being unhelpful and/or scummy depending on your opinion of lurking coupled with the timing of his offer to claim compared to the start of the day and in the context of his content-free posting which suggests that his claim won't be cop with investigation result (unlikely on account of two cops being dead already anyway) and the fact that there's too little information to make it worthwhile for any other power role to claim, there doesn't appear to be any reason for him to make a claim now, aside from paranoid scum jitters.
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Now back on topic, we really don't have much to work with atm, but the only real scummy behaviours I'm seeing are Thesp/Roffman's lies(/mistakes?), and Serous' jitters, but I haven't meta'd Serous so it could just be playstyle, so I'm not going to make any assumptions just yet, although it does look very scummy.. but also the fact that Dizzy didn't react much to my vote on him seems townie, imo, so I'm forced to
Imo, the change of Thesp/roffman's claim was probably because the fact that Thesp/roffman's ex-claim was going to get him into trouble, so Thesp changed the claim and said idkwtf roffman was thinking must've been a mistake.. etc.. so, I must believe that Thesp/roffman is scum(therefore I voted.) as no-one else I have seen be as scummy as Thesp/roffman.
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addicting, I almost completely forgot about this game, till I was playing it and thought I was forgetting something.. sorry.Now back on topic, we really don't have much to work with atm, but the only real scummy behaviours I'm seeing are Thesp/Roffman's lies(/mistakes?), and Serous' jitters, but I haven't meta'd Serous so it could just be playstyle, so I'm not going to make any assumptions just yet, although it does look very scummy.. but also the fact that Dizzy didn't react much to my vote on him seems townie, imo, so I'm forced to
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..^ Good Posting.DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:Thesp wrote:I'm Gamoz, and I happen to be a thief. I am a miller and will be viewed as bad by investigators, but I'm really all for democracy. I may or may not have other abilities, if I have used any, they have no worthwhile information to reveal at this point.I suspect the reason my predecessor was concerned about cloak colors was because he surmised he was a miller (and appeared as scum to investigators), then scum would share similar appearance.I will not comment on specifics of my predecessors claim to be able to steal weapons - let it suffice to say that if I had useful result, I would share it in a heartbeat.These quotes do not compute. I am thus happy with a Thesp/Roffmanscum lynch.roffman wrote:Basically, i'm only revealing this information to get the game going:
I've infiltrated the scum group, wearing a cloak of friendship.That line has lead me to believe that either capricous or ration are scum, based entirely on cloak color.
Imo, the change of Thesp/roffman's claim was probably because the fact that Thesp/roffman's ex-claim was going to get him into trouble, so Thesp changed the claim and said idkwtf roffman was thinking must've been a mistake.. etc.. so, I must believe that Thesp/roffman is scum(therefore I voted.) as no-one else I have seen be as scummy as Thesp/roffman.
I am also calling it scummy (depending on a meta, but if I don't do one I think it's scummy.), as the fact that he doesn't even have a single vote on him, and not *too* much suspicion on him and he is posting a one-liner asking if he should claim is quite suspicious, does that mean I am taking everything that looks odd to me and calling it scummy?Thesp wrote: Why would scum offer to claim right now? What makes that indicate he's mroe likely to be scum?
I think you're simply taking anything that looks odd to you and calling it scummy.
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HOW IN THE WORLD IS THE PATH THAT I HAVE CHOSEN GOING TO GET ME IN LESS TROUBLE? SERIOUSLY, WOULDN'T IT BE MUCH, MUCH EASIER TO WORK WITH WHAT ROFFMAN HAD SAID AND MAKE JUNK UP RATHER THAN CALL MY PREDECESSOR A LIAR? SERIOUSLY?Ration wrote:^ Good Posting.DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:Thesp wrote:I'm Gamoz, and I happen to be a thief. I am a miller and will be viewed as bad by investigators, but I'm really all for democracy. I may or may not have other abilities, if I have used any, they have no worthwhile information to reveal at this point.I suspect the reason my predecessor was concerned about cloak colors was because he surmised he was a miller (and appeared as scum to investigators), then scum would share similar appearance.I will not comment on specifics of my predecessors claim to be able to steal weapons - let it suffice to say that if I had useful result, I would share it in a heartbeat.These quotes do not compute. I am thus happy with a Thesp/Roffmanscum lynch.roffman wrote:Basically, i'm only revealing this information to get the game going:
I've infiltrated the scum group, wearing a cloak of friendship.That line has lead me to believe that either capricous or ration are scum, based entirely on cloak color.
Imo, the change of Thesp/roffman's claim was probably because the fact that Thesp/roffman's ex-claim was going to get him into trouble, so Thesp changed the claim and said idkwtf roffman was thinking must've been a mistake.. etc.. so, I must believe that Thesp/roffman is scum(therefore I voted.) as no-one else I have seen be as scummy as Thesp/roffman.
I don't think you're thinking - either that, or you're simply going with the path of least resistance.
Ration wrote:I am also calling it scummy (depending on a meta, but if I don't do one I think it's scummy.), as the fact that he doesn't even have a single vote on him, and not *too* much suspicion on him and he is posting a one-liner asking if he should claim is quite suspicious, does that mean I am taking everything that looks odd to me and calling it scummy?Thesp wrote: Why would scum offer to claim right now? What makes that indicate he's mroe likely to be scum?
I think you're simply taking anything that looks odd to you and calling it scummy.
Scum are far more likely to want to claim.
There are a few exceptions to this, but the fact that they are not
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indicates that a willingness to claim is far more indicative of town than scum.Again, I think you're seeing something out of place and calling it scummy - not because it's something scum are more likely to do, but because it's out of place.
Who else do you think is scummy? Presumably there's ~3 scum out there, right? Who else? Don't be evasive.
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