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[Gamma Emerald]

Now to actually adddress this

737 - you are town, start slow, spike activity, drift off.
2033 - town, slow roll start
Uncompleted game I did read - you are town, start strong drift off
2023 - scum, strong presence till near end replaceout
2035 - town, quick dropoff
214 - town slow roll that never really picks up
215 - town steady and good presence
2019 - town, slow start, never picks up
213 - scum, constant strong presence
Heroes Wanted - town constant presence
2028 - town okay start, strong dropoff
2018 - town slow start

737: Don’t recall that being a slow start
2033: think the entire game started slow
2023: I think I had a drop off there
2035: I don’t think this is accurate at all, but blitz game might be screwing with that
214: replaced into a claimed PR with no reason to effort beyond pushing whatever I saw as scummy
215: accurate
2019: accurate
213: eh I dropped off in spots
Heroes Wanted: same as 213
2028: don’t recall any drop off
2018: accurate
I’m consistently noticing that a lot of these seem to have small errors, so I think he’s not factoring in post density of others and only post spread of my own posts.

[Thor665]

Also wrt “lying” about meta awareness:
HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW YOU READ MY GAMES YOU KOOK? THAT SORT OF TWISTY SHIT IS WHY I HAVE ALT HUNTED PEOPLE WHI CLAIMED EXPERIENCE WITH ME ON AN ALT: IT IS DECEITFUL AND PUTS THE VICTIM IN A POSITION WHERE THEY CANT EFFECTIVE DEFEND.

Don't fake this bullSmurf.
You were WELL aware I had more then recent meta on you.
That was a straight up lie and you know it.

You lost the logic debate, now you're going into histronics.

[Thor665]

I think he’s not factoring in post density of others and only post spread of my own posts.

I'm absolutely doing that.
Also, my scum case is about you lying to get out of this - the meta case was the RVS portion o fmy case, so I couldn't care less that you disagree with it now.

[ThoseInCharge]

I said I wanted to let Ari post but seeing that he wasn’t doing anything at all I can’t count that as actually playing so it looks like I’ll actually have to play the game. Thankfully I have some free time now

[Wisdom]

thankfully youre getting lynched so you don't really have to

[ThoseInCharge]

Oh ok then

I’m town though so would you like to talk about anything?

[ThoseInCharge]

Btw my initial skim of pages 16+ gave my the impression that Flubber was town, but any more I’ll have to reread

[ThoseInCharge]

I also reconfimed my Shortaru read of being town.

Fuwa and Thor are my current top scumreads, but the latter is extra stale over his first post and I’ll have to reread that.

[ThoseInCharge]

Ok on page 12 Akarin seems town in her argument against shortaru looks town

[ThoseInCharge]

Wait the second Gamma wagon popped up really weirdly. A lot of people townread Gamma’s self vote, then later they all flip to say it was scummy instead. What?

[ThoseInCharge]

I am not going to involved in that ongoing game trash, and neither is Ari

[ThoseInCharge]

I actually already thought Shortaru was town before I engaged him.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This only makes you scummier, because it means you have done less sorting on page 5, because posts 103 and 117 don't do much for you in your reads, but also 106, which I saw as either questioning short or convincing him of scum!Gamma, which is not in line with your stances on both of them.

103: This was mostly curiosity and maybe a potential teaching moment.
105: I was giving him my opinion of what Thor did/was doing. Wasn't so much a push as me trying to give my own take on the matter.
106: Just because I think someone is town doesn't mean I think everything someone does is town-indicative. I also wasn't completely sold on the 'self-vote' indicating town-Gamma (otherwise I probably wouldn't have been as open to discussing that read with Thor as I was in 109), and was interested in seeing if there was anything else that could point that direction (as in Shortaru seeing something that maybe other people don't). Also, just because someone agrees with me on a read, it doesn't make them town. And just because I think someone is town, it doesn't mean I'm right.
117: To my knowledge, this is supposedly Shortaru's first game with Wisdom. So I was curious as to why he didn't think Wisdom would explain his reads.

And if you read 115, you would see that I wasn't sure why he didn't think discussing his reads with me was productive. It was because I was trying to engage him and figure out his thoughts on some things and I wasn't really pushing to try and lynch him.

I also don't understand why you think that me already thinking someone is town means I'm doing 'less sorting' when I engage with them. I'm still free to question my own reads and change them in light of new information.

I think everything you said is a fair point. These were actually things I was thinking when I asked you those, I just wanted to see how you responded.

What is now concerning to me is that you seem interested in defending yourself. After arguing for this long I’d expect you to take a stance on me whether town or scum, but you did neither.

[Celestial Coordinates]

VOTE: Thor665

[Celestial Coordinates]

TIC is still scum, like, most of the time

but Thor is scum and a higher priority lynch

[ThoseInCharge]

VOTE: Gamma

Am I actually being crazy here?

Also what's up with this?

Probably. In hindsight, if I was given the exact same PM as my predecessor, than it could make sense (in one game, Mastina gave me every role related PM that was sent between my predecessor and herself when I replaced in, and I could also see the case where a moderator would include the name of the recipient with area tags). However, in most cases, I generally only expect to see teammates' names in Role PM's, so my natural reaction to your question is that they would not see their own name listed.

They're two different things.

Ok I just did a review of FFT’s iso and it’s setting off huge major red flags.

FFT was townreading Gamma, then suddenly voted Gamma out of the blue, quoting some things from Akarin. Furthermore, iirc this was the third vote on the wagon, so this only led to the growth of the wagon. Let me investigate things further.

[ThoseInCharge]

Gamma is town, besides his unknowing self-vote, which reads as genuine to me, if TheGoldenParadox got a scum PM and Gamma got a scum PM, one or the other of them would see the other listed instead of themselves, wouldn't they?

that's a derp anyone could do that's totally nai

Most people get a scum PM and don't click on the QT link?

if TheGoldenParadox got a scum PM and Gamma got a scum PM, one or the other of them would see the other listed instead of themselves, wouldn't they?

No, why would they?

Am I actually being crazy here?

Also what's up with this?

I feel he would have been too self-conscious to make that mistake as scum. With access to the scum PT, he'd have known who he was replacing and I don't think he'd have voted his own slot knowingly.

This is basically the gist of why I disagreed with the Gamma wagon.

So for reference, 294 was just Akarin questioning FFT’s points about Gamma. So apparently that was enough for FFT’s read to flip on Gamma.


Why wasn’t this wagoned earlier?

[ThoseInCharge]

^referring to FFT, not Akarin

[Wisdom]

VOTE: thor

[ThoseInCharge]

Weren’t you townreading him?

[Flubbernugget]

737 - you are town, start slow, spike activity, drift off.
2033 - town, slow roll start
Uncompleted game I did read - you are town, start strong drift off
2023 - scum, strong presence till near end replaceout
2035 - town, quick dropoff
214 - town slow roll that never really picks up
215 - town steady and good presence
2019 - town, slow start, never picks up
213 - scum, constant strong presence
Heroes Wanted - town constant presence
2028 - town okay start, strong dropoff
2018 - town slow start

Uh

That's it?

[Flubbernugget]

Side note

FFT is not scumhunting. At all. And that should be painfully obvious to the entire game

[Thor665]

Uh

That's it?

Yes - I don't recall claiming it as a massive enterprise with no flaws. In fact I claimed I saw two ways to read it when I brought it up.
This has nothing to do with my current case on Gamma though.

@Wisdom
@RC

Sorry I asked you to explain a townread
Seriously though, put your Gamma townread into words.

[Wisdom]

i dont explain my reads
gamma is town

[Thor665]

No, he isn't.
Town wouldn't lie and claim i had no recent meta with him.

[Thor665]

More explicitly - he wouldn't vote me over it even if he was super hard line about site rules.
Open your eyes.