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In post 390, Shoshin wrote:

And could you unpack this a bit more?

DT overreacted, not sure what else you want me to say. I think he jumped on the opportunity to push my mislynch while buddying up to EE. Are you townreading DT?

I was hoping to try and maybe have you go more into where you're seeing dt fudge his story up than anything else with this.

kinda town but also wanna confirm something that's gonna sway my read there a lot anyway




EE, why are you voting vedith?

In post 523, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:No. This isn't true and if you don't believe me I think I can probably find examples. Usually AtE is NAI but there are plenty of times where you can look at it at think "wow, that emotion doesn't make sense as town, that's definitely a fake anger to try and make the other person back off "

I can show you examples where Scum and town have both given AtE. I've been frustrated and annoyed as scum the same as town.
Too many players use AtE as an acceptable reason to read players on here and I find that tragic.
Being right on an AtE doesn't mean it's not NAI. Its basically the same as saying x amount of names at the start of the game and if right at the end going "Yeah this is a thing".

I'm not wrong here.

In post 525, grapes wrote:

In post 390, Shoshin wrote:

And could you unpack this a bit more?

DT overreacted, not sure what else you want me to say. I think he jumped on the opportunity to push my mislynch while buddying up to EE. Are you townreading DT?

I was hoping to try and maybe have you go more into where you're seeing dt fudge his story up than anything else with this.

kinda town but also wanna confirm something that's gonna sway my read there a lot anyway




EE, why are you voting vedith?

Because he's one of my strongest scum reads right now.

In post 526, Vedith wrote:

In post 523, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:No. This isn't true and if you don't believe me I think I can probably find examples. Usually AtE is NAI but there are plenty of times where you can look at it at think "wow, that emotion doesn't make sense as town, that's definitely a fake anger to try and make the other person back off "

I can show you examples where Scum and town have both given AtE. I've been frustrated and annoyed as scum the same as town.
Too many players use AtE as an acceptable reason to read players on here and I find that tragic.
Being right on an AtE doesn't mean it's not NAI. Its basically the same as saying x amount of names at the start of the game and if right at the end going "Yeah this is a thing".

I'm not wrong here.

I agree that most of the time it is NAI. I'm also telling you it can be pretty obvious when someone is trying to manipulate someone emotionally.

In post 527, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:I agree that most of the time it is NAI. I'm also telling you it can be pretty obvious when someone is trying to manipulate someone emotionally.

Yes and this can be done as either align. I have seen town fake emotion just to get their reads followed, which involves manipulating.
It's always NAI

so alisaes post says

- i am obnoxious

- Town doesnt push like that

I can refute probably any sucm points u have on me if you address those that are actuallly AI

Shoshin is pretending to know my meta thats cute

We dont have a single finished game together

If Shoshin was town then who would you like as Scum?

Shoshin “Ignoring questions is my town meta” *refuses to answer questions*

Productive

Vedith why r u voting me? Because u dont want shoshin to be lynched? That doesnt make sense

I dont get alisaes scum read nor town read on shoshin

Hopefully we can have a meaningful conversation later

Also i hope shoshin drops the i know dts play implication because she has 0 finished games w me lol

I am townreading ee fa and pvt

In post 533, DoubtingThomas wrote:Vedith why r u voting me? Because u dont want shoshin to be lynched? That doesnt make sense

Not a lot does make sense. Not your case, not your vote.

In post 536, DoubtingThomas wrote:I am townreading ee fa and pvt

You're town read it them with a biased opinion just like Shoshin is only town reading with a biased opinion.

So my apologies but your town reads mean very little right now.

Who else is Scum, or if Shoshin was confirmed town?

My case doesnt make sense? Shoshin refused to answer my questions, and when pressured resorted to self voting

After getting shit for slef voting, instead of trying to uo her game, she reaorted to attacking us for shitting on self votingg

When pressured even further by ee, she backtracked and resorted to “find scums, ee” instead of defending her sctions nor trying to find scums herself (except for an omgus vote on me which she shades by making it look like i am purely trying to lynch her in an opportunistic way for the self vote, despite the fact that i was trying to ask her questions way before her self vote and voted her before she self voted)

How is this case hard to understand?

How is what shoshin doing anything that resembles a town?

In post 539, DoubtingThomas wrote:How is this case hard to understand?

How is what shoshin doing anything that resembles a town?

It's more of a weak case and I don't buy it.
Its also ironic you aren't answering my questions but using that as your case on Shoshin.

You can scum read me and vote me all you want

but blatantly refusing to understand a case of a person that has reacted very scummily and does nothing but refuse to answer questions because “its her town meta” is somethin i cant believe

If Shoshin was confirmed town, who is Scum, DT?

No those are not the same

I gave opinion on a lot of the people i intracted with

I find townies first. I dont try to pinpoint a single scum, i try to find my town core bloc to work w cuz its easier to find townies

You know this bc i said this in a game we finished together

Also u r telling me to find a scum while assuming my biggest scum read is town

You also said my reads are biased and doesnt mean much but want me to give u an imaignary scum while assuming my biggest scum read is town?

Thats a shitty question and i dont beleive u are asking that in good faith. My scum read will be just as bised as my town reads if anything. Its you or alisae

No wonder ee scum reads u highly ur play here doesnt seem like u r tryinng to solve my slot, but focus on weakening my scum reads and my position in the thread worse

You say that my scum read is weakand you dont buy it but are not trying to explain why its weak because i feel strongly that ive never seen someone play any scummier or at least anti town as shoshin has played so far and you ate just ignoring my case with a mere “thats a weak case”

I'm trying to get you off a tunnel that doesn't help town.

But we're getting somewhere. So I'm not asking in good faith.
Do you think my motive for voting you as not a Scum read and defending Shoshin is Scum based?
I think Alisae has a decent chance of flipping Scum. Is it the voting with Shoshin?

Why are you still voting me, Grapes?

In post 544, DoubtingThomas wrote:No wonder ee scum reads u highly ur play here doesnt seem like u r tryinng to solve my slot, but focus on weakening my scum reads and my position in the thread worse

You say that my scum read is weakand you dont buy it but are not trying to explain why its weak because i feel strongly that ive never seen someone play any scummier or at least anti town as shoshin has played so far and you ate just ignoring my case with a mere “thats a weak case”

Anti town isn't Scum that's why.
A lot of players just go "book says this way, just be the case".
By now you should realise I look at different routes.

I'm sorry for not taking a case seriously that had you doing the same, and for a shitty self vote reason.

Also I don't care if EE is voting me. They have made no effort to engage me outside of my NAI opinion so frankly I take their vote as just being seen.

re; https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10785600

Alisae it feels a bit early for you give up trying to read me altogether?
I understand that grapes are inanimate objects but I am not.
Why the blind faith in xtom?

Cuz now that it's relevant and I'm thinking about it the couple games I've played with him was him-scum me-town... and gameboy advance mafia where he lead a mislynch on me...

VOTE: xtoxm