Mini Normal 2098 - Game Over! (Mafia Won)

[Luca Blight]

Billy, regarding your last sentence in response to Profii - I think you’re on the borderline there once again. As a general rule just don’t mention anything about ongoing games if you can at all help it. Even if it’s something that seems insignificant, people can draw conclusions from what you’re saying, rightly or wrongly.

[Luca Blight]

garmr you know you're going to look sus as hell if Mohab flips town right? Pretty sure it's a bit early to celebrate and praise your own towniness don't ya think?

Why does a Mohab town flip make Garmr look sus as hell? I think suspicion of Mohab was justified at that point, and it’s hardly Garmr’s fault he self-hammered.

Again, we’ve lost precious information by this self-hammer. No-one can be particularly held accountable for this Lynch.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok i worded that wrong, not necessarily "super suspicious" but he definitely does not deserve all of the townie creds he has been giving himself.

[NorwegianboyEE]

LAMIST is the word.
Post 520.

[profii]

Go back and check. When I initially wanted you in jail, it was before you medium claimed a PR. And the one you claimed anyway sounded like IC. Don't know how putting you in jail at night would prevent that

tbh i just wanted to see if i could keep garmr alive because i thought his claim was right and he was worth drawing the night kill from

now he is retracting his claim i am just openly saying i was mucking about haha

[profii]

I was expecting Mohab to say that Kraeg and Garmr are a scum team because by counter claiming each other, we would obviously lynch one, then the survivor would be deemed town, given that both would flip scum (in his world)

So given that they both claimed PR and if they were both scum their continued survival would be highly suspect, I pre-empted this by calling my predication mental

but I guess now I will never know.

I really hope Mohab just realised he made a slip with that and decided to die quietly - not that it helps us find scum number 2 but getting 1 down is a good start


who knows.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mohab's reason for self-hammering leads me to believe she's just frustrated town.

[Luca Blight]

It would be really odd timing to self-hammer as scum when he could have jumped on Garmr’s fake-claim or continued pushing Kraeg.

Although I’d have expected a little more frustrated shit-posting from town post-hammer, so perhaps there is a glimmer of hope.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Go back and check. When I initially wanted you in jail, it was before you medium claimed a PR. And the one you claimed anyway sounded like IC. Don't know how putting you in jail at night would prevent that

tbh i just wanted to see if i could keep garmr alive because i thought his claim was right and he was worth drawing the night kill from

now he is retracting his claim i am just openly saying i was mucking about haha

Then why'd you use it to case me? Because you cased me after his retraction.

[Skellen]

Guess I was wrong when I said yesterday that this day has already peaked. I have yet to see how town fakeclaiming benefits town, so far I have only seen the opposite. I hate that. If Mohab flips green this shit would be super frustrating. Never self-hammer. Blergh, no idea when jackal is around so I have to do first thoughts on phone:

What bothers me is how fast this happened since Garmr retracted his claim. Just within two pages Mohab got lynched. It now depends on whatever alignment Mohab is going to flip of course. It confuses me how the Kraeg wagon basically had no counterwagon and then during the claim vs claim situation it shifted slowly to Mohab and the votes piled up before even a counterwagon in form of Billy or Kraeg could arise. I feel this went too smoothly. VCA might be a blast tomorrow.

Why is Kraeg suddenly town? Besides his claim he didn't do shit. As Garmr said, he didn't even try to fight the counterclaim, which would be the first natural reaction considering the competitive nature of their claims. Yes, I saw he had the opportunity to self-hammer, but what would rule stubborn scum here out?

I still think that Garmr is town. His counterclaim was awful, but I don't see that coming from scum. I mean I still don't see the necessity to do so? And particularly, why even retract this claim then AND derailing the Kraeg lynch? And no, I don't see them as team, that makes even less sense.

[Luca Blight]

Go back and check. When I initially wanted you in jail, it was before you medium claimed a PR. And the one you claimed anyway sounded like IC. Don't know how putting you in jail at night would prevent that

tbh i just wanted to see if i could keep garmr alive because i thought his claim was right and he was worth drawing the night kill from

now he is retracting his claim i am just openly saying i was mucking about haha

Then why'd you use it to case me? Because you cased me after his retraction.

This is actually a good point.

Profii’s recent behavior has been very suspect. He has a lot to answer for tomorrow.

[Billy Pilgrim]

Damnit Mohab. If you're town and just suicided 3 days our from deadline I'm going to be so pissed. If you're scum, then thanks for the favor and smart to not let more discussion out.

[Skellen]

It would be really odd timing to self-hammer as scum when he could have jumped on Garmr’s fake-claim or continued pushing Kraeg.

Although I’d have expected a little more frustrated shit-posting from town post-hammer, so perhaps there is a glimmer of hope.

Actually profii was showing willingness to compromise on Mohab to subject to his answer on the question why Garmr/Krag scumteam. Could have been Mohab thought of it as soft intent. That would probably indicate red flip.

[Billy Pilgrim]

I don't see the scum equity in Garmr's play of fake claiming then retracting before he gets the lynch, so I think that's a nonsense townplay, but I would definitely check that slot w/investigative because otherwise he is gonna deepwolf that cred ftw.

I think Profii may be scum here. I think the past couple of posts were strange, and like I said, I think he was setting me up for a mislynch, but Mohab's self hammer cut that off. Even if I'm the NK (which I wouldn't expect to be), that doesn't clear him, because he is sophisticated enough to manipulate that for his benefit.

Luca feels town but that's more gut than anything.

Skellen feels town.

Emperor is null.

I feel like Norwegian is town. Again, it's town because I don't see an agenda.

And I have no idea what is going on with Kraeg. There is low content from that slot, but he hopped wagons after they lost momentum, so I don't see why that's scummy. The PR could be real. I'm confused by this slot so while I can see why others find it scummy for the low content, I don't know how to read this. I probably shade it town. Don't know why he didn't go to war against Garmr on the cc. And if he's gonna fakeclaim he probably picked one of the weakest fake claims. So I think this is null with a slight lean town.

[Skellen]

Don't feel like that would have been a bus then though considerng there were Billy and Kraeg as viable options, at least not the latest votes. That would rather mean they would have been caught with their pants down.

[Jackal711]

VOTE COUNT 1.Final

Lynch

Mohab500 (5) - Billy Pilgrim, Kraeg, Luca Blight, Garmr, Mohab500
Skellen (0) -
Luca Blight (0) -
Garmr (0) -
Emperor FlippyNips (0) -
profii (0) -
NorwegianboyEE (0) -
Kraeg (1) - NorwegianboyEE
Billy Pilgrim (1) - profii

Not Voting: Emperor FlippyNips, Skellen

ACTIVITY NOTES:
All good at end of Day 1.

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

As of Post #507, Mohab500 was lynched. He was a

Vanilla Townie

Night 1 starts now. Deadline is Friday, September 13th at 7:30 am PDT which is in

(expired on 2019-09-13 07:30:00)

[Jackal711]

NorwegianboyEE,

Vanilla Townie

, was killed Night 1.

VOTE COUNT 2.0

Skellen (0) -
Luca Blight (0) -
Garmr (0) -
Emperor FlippyNips (0) -
profii (0) -
Kraeg (0) -
Billy Pilgrim (0) -

Not Voting: Emperor FlippyNips, Skellen, Billy Pilgrim, Kraeg, Luca Blight, Garmr, profii

ACTIVITY NOTES:

With 7 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch.

Day 2 starts now. Deadline is Friday, September 27th at 7:45 am PDT which is in

(expired on 2019-09-27 07:45:00)

[Billy Pilgrim]

So we have two claimed prs that survived, but they both retracted so j don't know what to make of that. We have one claimed pr that survived. Given how scumread he was that could either be part of the team, or it could be left there for a WIFOM mislynch, and that particularly fits given the NK. I don't know why anyone would kill Norwegian here. I don't think he was that town-read, and he wasn't a leader. I know that Kraeg was focused on him pretty hard, so was it just a way to force us to focus on Kraeg given that he claimed a PR and survived and the guy that was focused on him all day was the NK? Because I don't know why else Norwegian is the NK, and that reasoning is just so simple that it can't explain what happened

We're one day out from LYLO and we have at least one night of info, does a massclaim make sense here? Because I don't know what to make of this game now.

[profii]

So the question I ask myself is did scum think I am faking a PR or am I just so wrong I'm dangerous to town?

But before I answer that, I'll go take a look at what Norge's suspects and see what we can take from that (RIP in pieces )

[profii]

also, Kraeg is maintaining his PR claim, so he should let us know who/if he roleblocked

@Mod - hypothetically speaking, of course, in a game where a town roleblocker existed, if he choose to roleblock the scum player who conducted the kill, would that stop the kill taking place? I thought not and it was just a JK that would stop that but help please?

[Billy Pilgrim]

also, Kraeg is maintaining his PR claim, so he should let us know who/if he roleblocked

@Mod - hypothetically speaking, of course, in a game where a town roleblocker existed, if he choose to roleblock the scum player who conducted the kill, would that stop the kill taking place? I thought not and it was just a JK that would stop that but help please?

Why wouldn't that be what it does? It stops the role of the person he blocks. It doesn't do the j/k's extra function of protecting the person from the kill, but it does block the role of whomever he targeted.

Unfortunately, because there are likely 2 scum, according to the normal rules, his roleblock won't tell us anything because scum could have assigned the kill to the person he didn't block. And it won't confirm him inno even if he hit someone who was a PR, because he may be a mafia RB.

[profii]

Idk I vaguely remember something along those lines and just checking

[Billy Pilgrim]

Man, did folks stop playing this game? Day started and nothing all day except me and Profii?

@Mod I'm V/LA for 36 hours. I probably won't post at all tomorrow.

[Luca Blight]

I’m V/LA until monday

[Garmr]

I can only phone post :€