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[Plotinus]

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When playing bingo with a large number of people, if you win, you are equally likely to win with a horizontal bingo as with a vertical bingo, but when we're not considering the case where you in particular win but just anybody at all, then the winner is twice as likely to win with a horizontal bingo than a vertical bingo. This made absolutely no sense to me until paragraph 5 of The Bingo Paradox and then suddenly it was obvious why this true.

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Lynching

With 3 votes in play, it takes 2 to lynch.

Everybody

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(5): AaronFrost, Chibiie, Gimm1ck

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-10-27 08:20:00).

Mod notes: AaronFrost is V/LA until Monday

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[Chibiie]

I was actually expecting to die, I thought I cover 2nd PR pretty well and get targeted instead. I also was pretty sure that Yoda is last scum and Aaron was PR because of the hammer on Salad, which was dropped quickly after I asked Gimm1ck if he was doc'ed N1.

Gimm1ck, I know Yoda was your neutral read, but please tell me that you've tracked Aaron and not Yoda or me.

I'm on the phone and can't really bring quotes and prove my analysis, but don't you think is strange how all of Aaron's neutral / scummy reads (also shading teacher, but not pushing him) were townies and how he backed out of my clash with him after I started using his ISO against himself? He seen me as a late game threat and tried to get rid of me by lynch. Funny how teacher backed him up with a vote against me without much explanation, probably after sharing thoughts in their private chat.

My question is: Why wasn't I killed during night if I was a threat to scums? Is this the best possible framing outcome? Become obvtown and then let Chibiie live last so you can easily win in LyLo?

I even pointed out stuff about Aaron before that looked sketchy, but he was "obvtown" and people won't trust a new player...

Is all down to you Gimm1ck. Aaron will definitely vote me and I will vote him. You're the tracker, all I hope is that, out of curiosity, you tracked Aaron.

[Chibiie]

VOTE: AaronFrost

I will be back in a few hours, Gimm1ck, take your time to go through both our ISOs and see who you trust more. That only if you didn't tracked Aaron instead and then boom, let's get this win.

Talk to y'all later.

[Chibiie]

Aaron's at

L-1

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[AaronFrost]

Cool I didnt even get a chance to play D3 since I was asleep the whole 2 hours the day lasted.

I'll make a post tonight.

[AaronFrost]

I thought Yoda was scum too so thanks for killing him I guess.

Looks like I was right about Chibiie.

[AaronFrost]

@Gimm1ck you're the one who has to hammer here so think carefully about who you vote. teacher rolecopping Chibiie doesn't make him confirmed town and honestly feels like the kind of play teacher would make if he thought he was gonna be tracked. I would've pointed this out yesterday but, well...

[AaronFrost]

VOTE: Chibiie

Looks like our 1v1 continues.

[AaronFrost]

I'll be out of commission until tonight since I was in New York for my cousin's wedding this weekend and I'm travelling back so don't hammer before then.

[Gimm1ck]

Tracked yoda (targeted me last night).

[Gimm1ck]

@Gimm1ck you're the one who has to hammer here so think carefully about who you vote. teacher rolecopping Chibiie doesn't make him confirmed town and honestly feels like the kind of play teacher would make if he thought he was gonna be tracked. I would've pointed this out yesterday but, well...

Teacher targeteting both people last night makes me believe he, in fact, did not expect to be tracked. Part of the reason I tracked him was because I was beginning to townread him a lot less, but I still let him know that I was town for this exact reason.

[Chibiie]

I don't have access to a PC until Tuesday and to be honest I won't even bother to try quoting here. The whole D2 clash between me and Aaron should give you enough evidence on Aaron/teacher plays...

All who were pushed, were pushed by these two. Once I refused to follow their lead, they voted on me. Once spartan townread me, they got rid of him and now, they took Yoda away who was the last to accept my analyses.

Even Salad, who I doubted and accepted to lynch townread me before being hammered by Aaron, when Spartan asked for more time and I took back my intent for hammering. Then Aaron hammered in order to get rid of Spartan who was my biggest townread.

It's funny how all these are now connected dot-to-dot.
Gimm1ck, down to you, I will be back only to celebrate our win.

[Chibiie]

"[...] honestly feels like the kind of play teacher would make [...]"

Is not the first time he made this remark throughout this game.

Past games should not be assimilated to the current one, which makes me think you did have something to do with teacher this whole game.

[Chibiie]

I believe the sole reason for why you weren't killed, Gimm1ck, is because you didn't townread me completely like the others.

[AaronFrost]

I don't have access to a PC until Tuesday and to be honest I won't even bother to try quoting here. The whole D2 clash between me and Aaron should give you enough evidence on Aaron/teacher plays...

Would you care to show me some of this "evidence"?

[AaronFrost]

All who were pushed, were pushed by these two. Once I refused to follow their lead, they voted on me. Once spartan townread me, they got rid of him and now, they took Yoda away who was the last to accept my analyses.

Ah yes how dare I scumhunt in a game where that should be your main objective as town.

That is not even a remotely accurate depiction of what happened. I explained my reasons for scumreading you pretty clearly. Also, you did "follow my lead" because you were scumreading Salad right along with me. If I wanted you to "follow my lead" then why would I immediately jump to pushing you for scumreading the person I'd want you to lynch if I were scum. That makes no fucking sense from a scum perspective.

[AaronFrost]

Even Salad, who I doubted and accepted to lynch townread me before being hammered by Aaron, when Spartan asked for more time and I took back my intent for hammering. Then Aaron hammered in order to get rid of Spartan who was my biggest townread.

I had stated my intent to hammer previously. We had less than a day on the deadline when I hammered which is plenty of time as far as I'm concerned. He wanted to hear from Salad and he did.

Gimm1ck hasn't been killed because we have a doc and scum was afraid that the doc would be on Gimm1ck so they went for Spartan. Then it was between me/Yoda for who the last pr was. You guessed right but you probably would've been better off killing me honestly since you could easily win a 1v1 against Yoda. I guess you just enjoy our interactions too much

[AaronFrost]

@Gimm1ck if you have any questions for me let me know. I'm more than willing to answer.

[AaronFrost]

Gimm1ck, down to you, I will be back only to celebrate our win.

Someone got cocky all of a sudden...

[Chibiie]

Gimm1ck, down to you, I will be back only to celebrate our win.

Someone got cocky all of a sudden...

Not cocky, but really, take the time to read your own ISO. Also, as I said, I'm on the phone, it'll take me the whole day to make a post and explain everything, that's why it's easier to re-read our D2 clash which ended in like 3 pages.

Also, the fact that even after our clash, you asking peeps about our clash and people calling it town v town, that's probably when you thought it'll be the perfect outcome to frame me.

I hope this game will be the perfect example of obvtown flipping red :)
And I'm not saying your pushes were scum completely, you played a solid Townie. Just like you said you would while answering teacher's questions. Also good emulation of your townie playstyle.

I had doubts about you since N1 NKA started and teacher also, but couldn't push an obvtown that early, that would've get me lynched, so I'm actually glad of this outcome, because peeps trusted you and therefore everyone who died was Town. teacher's wagon for Dong's lynch D1? George's death N1, the Salad's push in D2 right off the bat without a proper explanation? Gimm1ck and Spartan caught my attention since D2 and had proper town vibes.

The only reason for not scumreading you is because I would've went against majority and as I noticed Yoda was not involved and Spartan was mostly busy and never getting into many details, it was left for me to keep a low-profile and back-up Gimm1ck while keeping you a townread in order to prevent myself from being lynched.

This is intense end game :)
I doubt Gimm1ck would've even considered waiting if there was someone else instead of me.

If Yoda was alive, he would've not trusted his PR claim (you took advantage of him being Gimm1ck's neutral read and I should've pointed that out yesterday but I honestly thought Yoda was scum too and Aaron was my neutral read since early D2)
If Spartan would've been alive he was a conditional town, so Gimm1ck would've hammered him already.

My question is, how did you misplay and let me live in Lylo?
This was your mistake. I was your clash, thing is, I had solid reasoning to argue with you after being pushed for a reason like "oh you changed your mind". Ofc I changed my mind, I'm not scum, I don't have all info needed to prepare killing order, I have to solve the game with no info.

I wanna hear your defense, Aaron.

@Gimm1ck

trust me and re-read his ISO and order of events. Also our clash out of which he backed off calling that a OMGUS reason on my side. That was panic for me being right against him.

//OFF TOPIC: This post took me 30 minutes and is only text, imagine trying to post quotes and highlighting all the stuff.

[Chibiie]

I phrased the earlier post so badly smh

[Chibiie]

Even Salad, who I doubted and accepted to lynch townread me before being hammered by Aaron, when Spartan asked for more time and I took back my intent for hammering. Then Aaron hammered in order to get rid of Spartan who was my biggest townread.

I had stated my intent to hammer previously. We had less than a day on the deadline when I hammered which is plenty of time as far as I'm concerned. He wanted to hear from Salad and he did.

Gimm1ck hasn't been killed because we have a doc and scum was afraid that the doc would be on Gimm1ck so they went for Spartan. Then it was between me/Yoda for who the last pr was. You guessed right but you probably would've been better off killing me honestly since you could easily win a 1v1 against Yoda. I guess you just enjoy our interactions too much ;)

Wow, remember before hammering, plenty of time left, I said "imma go to sleep and get into more details in the morning?". Well I didn't get the chance to have a proper talk. You hammered, there was a soft conf between Gimm1ck and Salad, which made me change my mind, but was too late... (I wasn't part of the vote against Salad and it means nothing because I was pro lynching him, but I wanted the most info I could've possibly get)

You rushed it. That was your second mistake.

[Chibiie]

Another quick thing... it just clicked, Aaron, you're smarter than that, yet you just said something stupid, out of your character.
So you took advantage of Gimm1ck's neutral read on Yoda and took him out, now having a 1v1 with me. Reason is simple:

You knew Gimm1ck would've tracked his neutral read and killing me in order to cc Yoda would've been impossible since Yoda would've visited Gimm1ck, both still alive, yet I would've been dead...

This was your only option for a win. You trapped yourself in this situation LOL

[AaronFrost]

Gimm1ck, down to you, I will be back only to celebrate our win.

Someone got cocky all of a sudden...

Not cocky, but really, take the time to read your own ISO. Also, as I said, I'm on the phone, it'll take me the whole day to make a post and explain everything, that's why it's easier to re-read our D2 clash which ended in like 3 pages.

Not much point in reading my own ISO when I'm very self-aware of how I play. If anything you should be telling Gimm1ck to read it because he's the one you need to convince, not me.

Also, the fact that even after our clash, you asking peeps about our clash and people calling it town v town, that's probably when you thought it'll be the perfect outcome to frame me.

Usually when two players clash like that, the other players will say something about it. I asked because no one had really commented on it and I was beginning to suspect that it was a town v town clash and scum was just letting us eat each other alive. Clearly I was wrong about that, but that was what I was thinking at the time.

I hope this game will be the perfect example of obvtown flipping red

We've already had one "obvtown" player flip red tho.

And I'm not saying your pushes were scum completely, you played a solid Townie. Just like you said you would while answering teacher's questions. Also good emulation of your townie playstyle.

Let's look at how you answered that question then. "Pretty much the same as my playstyle as scum, however, I add confusion and try my best to not push lynches because any mislynch pushed by someone will automatically put some suspicion on me." I don't really see you pushing any lynches. The only lynch you pushed was me, and the only reason you pushed it was because I was pushing you.

I had doubts about you since N1 NKA started and teacher also, but couldn't push an obvtown that early, that would've get me lynched, so I'm actually glad of this outcome, because peeps trusted you and therefore everyone who died was Town. teacher's wagon for Dong's lynch D1? George's death N1, the Salad's push in D2 right off the bat without a proper explanation?

Why not? This part reads that you're more concerned with how you look to the town as opposed to actually scumhunting and actively pushing. No one was stopping you from doing it. If you have suspicions against someone, then you should always voice it, even if it's just a gut feeling.

Gimm1ck and Spartan caught my attention since D2 and had proper town vibes.

The only reason for not scumreading you is because I would've went against majority and as I noticed Yoda was not involved and Spartan was mostly busy and never getting into many details, it was left for me to keep a low-profile and back-up Gimm1ck while keeping you a townread in order to prevent myself from being lynched.

Again, you're more concerned with how you look to town than you are with actually pushing players you suspect.

This is intense end game
I doubt Gimm1ck would've even considered waiting if there was someone else instead of me.

If Yoda was alive, he would've not trusted his PR claim (you took advantage of him being Gimm1ck's neutral read and I should've pointed that out yesterday but I honestly thought Yoda was scum too and Aaron was my neutral read since early D2)
If Spartan would've been alive he was a conditional town, so Gimm1ck would've hammered him already.

We dont really know what Gimmick is thinking right now. Yoda was most everyone's neutral read. Was spartan conditionally town? What was proof of his innocence? He was by far the most obvtown player, but as you've said, even obvtown players can flip red.

My question is, how did you misplay and let me live in Lylo?

Because I dont have any killing powers other than voting and lynching. It says so in my role PM.

This was your mistake. I was your clash, thing is, I had solid reasoning to argue with you after being pushed for a reason like "oh you changed your mind". Ofc I changed my mind, I'm not scum, I don't have all info needed to prepare killing order, I have to solve the game with no info.

Yet I haven't seen you try to solve the game all that much. There was no progression of the change in your mind in regards to Salad. You came out Day 2 saying he was scummy with no context as to why you changed your read. Felt like scum just going with the flow my teacher/my lead. But wait, didnt you say earlier that you didnt want to follow our lead after I pushed Salad? That's what I call a contradiction my dude.

I wanna hear your defense, Aaron.

DEFENSE SYSTEM INITIATED

TARGET ACQUIRED

TARGET LOCKED

FIRE

@Gimm1ck

trust me

Side note, if anyone ever tells you to trust them, you probably shouldn't trust that person

and re-read his ISO and order of events. Also our clash out of which he backed off calling that a OMGUS reason on my side. That was panic for me being right against him.

When did I do this? Point me to where i specifically said you were OMGUSing me. The only time i brought up OMGUS was because i didnt like teacher's naked vote on you with zero context. Felt like he was sleeping me a bit and wanted to get his thoughts about it.

//OFF TOPIC: This post took me 30 minutes and is only text, imagine trying to post quotes and highlighting all the stuff.

[AaronFrost]

Another quick thing... it just clicked, Aaron, you're smarter than that, yet you just said something stupid, out of your character.
So you took advantage of Gimm1ck's neutral read on Yoda and took him out, now having a 1v1 with me. Reason is simple:

You knew Gimm1ck would've tracked his neutral read and killing me in order to cc Yoda would've been impossible since Yoda would've visited Gimm1ck, both still alive, yet I would've been dead...

This was your only option for a win. You trapped yourself in this situation LOL

How am I supposed to know what Gimm1ck is gonna do? Smart move would've been to no kill actually then that eliminates any chance that the tracker gets a result on you. This would work out even better with gimmick getting the result he did (Yoda visited him) because then scum can claim doc and claim they protected gimmick. Yoda is lynched then boom easy win.