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I think there difference is I think gbj unvoting you would be an example of him slipping up bc of panic from you going to L-2

Whereas (map, non) voting the same wagon would be a bold move because it’s an active decision that’s been made

Also one is defensive in nature (unvoting) and the other is offensive (doubling onto a wagon)

Skitt if you had to choose between non and map who would it be and why?

Like you’ve talked more about non but is that your pick

In post 524, Billy Pilgrim wrote:

In post 515, Menalque wrote:Like that seems like a fairly bold move for scum to make

I guess maybe if they thought they could get me mislynched for leading on it, I have been more laid back than normal

This kinda sticks out. You're saying it's a bold move for Map and Non to vote on the same wagon together, and using that to mostly clear them, but then you're saying GBJ does what I think is an even bolder move in unvoting me when I'm at L-2 and basically announcing me as his partner. I dont see how this is treating these things similarly.

Yeah this ^

I'm really not sure i like this push @mena

In post 522, Menalque wrote:That’s actually like

A really good point billy

Which point?

In post 527, Menalque wrote:Skitt if you had to choose between non and map who would it be and why?

Probably non by virtue of the fact that he seems to revel in shitposting rn and doesnt particularly seem to want to be cooperative

In post 530, skitter30 wrote:

In post 522, Menalque wrote:That’s actually like

A really good point billy

Which point?

The fact that they’ve completely ignored each other’s slots

May I refer you to 525 skitt

In post 531, skitter30 wrote:

In post 527, Menalque wrote:Skitt if you had to choose between non and map who would it be and why?

Probably non by virtue of the fact that he seems to revel in shitposting rn and doesnt particularly seem to want to be cooperative

I don’t rly think this is +scum indicative even if it’s annoying tho

Like what’s the scum motivation in pissing people off?

im on for a few minutes

if yall think im susp because i put billy as seems town instead of town thats bad

i was going to originally have more reasoning in there but decided not to because i hadnt read isos yet

I think I want to go this way VOTE: Map Wolf

Right now, Map fits into too many of my possible scumpairs and I SR them pretty hard individually too. If anyone wants me to make a case on them, I can.

I think scum is in Map/Non/Mena/Uncrowned. Also with the existence of that sudden wagon, I think GBJ is likely town.

In post 537, Kanna wrote:I think I want to go this way VOTE: Map Wolf

Right now, Map fits into too many of my possible scumpairs and I SR them pretty hard individually too.

If anyone wants me to make a case on them, I can

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Yes

In post 525, Menalque wrote:I think there difference is I think gbj unvoting you would be an example of him slipping up bc of panic from you going to L-2

Whereas (map, non) voting the same wagon would be a bold move because it’s an active decision that’s been made

Ok, now I see the difference.

In post 536, GayBabyJailor wrote:im on for a few minutes

if yall think im susp because i put billy as seems town instead of town thats bad

i was going to originally have more reasoning in there but decided not to because i hadnt read isos yet

I agree with this + Skitter but the fact Mena and Map strongly suggested this put a bad taste in my mouth. Who are you trying to trick? I highly highly highly doubt that's a thing.

In post 539, Menalque wrote:

In post 537, Kanna wrote:I think I want to go this way VOTE: Map Wolf

Right now, Map fits into too many of my possible scumpairs and I SR them pretty hard individually too.

If anyone wants me to make a case on them, I can

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Yes

Ok I will tonight. Will be inactive for the rest of today because work.

In post 489, Menalque wrote:Okay

I think he reads v diff and much more solvey there whereas here he’s just coasting

In post 490, Menalque wrote:And like asking questions but not doing anything with the answers

these are my reasons for voting GBJ and I sorta indirectly mentioned them in 402

GL, am I right in thinking that (billy, skitt) doesn’t make sense?

In post 503, Billy Pilgrim wrote:

In post 473, skitter30 wrote:

In post 469, Menalque wrote:Also do you think billy!town spews gbj town or not?

Not sure why scum!gbj would unvote town!billy there

This is literally why I'm not voting there.

so my thoughts on this

I don't think the unvote points to GBJ/Billy connection really, but I also don't think it's town-indicative. GBJ might unvote a town!Billy just cause he thinks it might look townie. Like consider the fact that if that's what he did then it worked, Billy/Skitt are now townreading him (or at least, trying to vote elsewhere) for it.

What I think is more suspicious is he said part of the reason for unvoting is he didn't want a lynch to happen while he was away, but then has since barely put any more effort into directing town's attention. He's just pivoted to scumreading Non Imh and threw a vote down there. I don't get the sense that he's very actively involved (at least right now) in deciding who gets lynched and if that's his playstyle/m.o. then it feels incongruent with the unvote

@Menalque - I wouldn't like absolutely rule out that team yet but I think it's generally less likely given Billy's entrance and my independent townread on skitter, definitely not a D1 theory I'd pursue. I should probably reread and consider if that could have been planned theater but that's something I'd do after it starts looking like something's wrong with my view on the gamestate

In post 532, Menalque wrote:

In post 530, skitter30 wrote:

In post 522, Menalque wrote:That’s actually like

A really good point billy

Which point?

The fact that they’ve completely ignored each other’s slots

Honestly after playing loads of games i dont think this is a real tell, sure, scum dont mention their partners sometimes and/or interact with them, but town sometimes don't interact with scum either

It's something that scum do wrt their partner, but its also something that i've seen town do a bunch too, albeit unknowingly, especially if the scum in question is a lurker

I dont think this is a good associative tell

In post 525, Menalque wrote:I think there difference is I think gbj unvoting you would be an example of him slipping up bc of panic from you going to L-2

Whereas (map, non) voting the same wagon would be a bold move because it’s an active decision that’s been made

Ok i see your point

Honestly still not sure scum lolpanic like that, tho

I think in ISO Map Wolf still looks bad, but Menalque's post pointed a few things to my attention that make me not want to lynch him today