Open 773: Masons and Mafia: RVS Awards (GAME OVER)

[popsofctown]

She's better at mafia than I

[popsofctown]

If you are scum and she isn't you should be very crestfallen that she has replaced in

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm falling behind and losing motivation to care as I'm starting to get the feeling pushing anyone is actually anti-town. Maybe if we all shush then scum will have to shoot out of sheer boredom.

[Egix96]

Y'shtola
Her questioning of things feels genuine and I empathise with her reading people based on feels, as is shown in 380.

Would you please point out what questioning of Yshtola Rhul's you find to be genuine?

Generally it reads to me that she's genuinely inquisitive rather than trying to advance an agenda with it.
Ofc if it turns out that she is in fact an alt rather than a new player then this read loses some of its value.

I find myself skimming over most of Egix's posts without being able to commit much critical thinking to them. I've found in the past that that slot is scum >rand for me.

He indicated that he has a high rate of receiving a scum role in 246.

I don't think that's quite what Klick meant. He's saying that, if he can skim over someone's posts without having to think about it too much, in his experience that person is usually scum. He can't be talking about ME specifically because he hasn't played a game with me before.

[Auro]

I'm falling behind and losing motivation to care as I'm starting to get the feeling pushing anyone is actually anti-town. Maybe if we all shush then scum will have to shoot out of sheer boredom.

It's not anti-town. Masons also have the responsibility to get townread, I think everyone should just play normally.

[popsofctown]

I got the same feeling sometimes, composing posts and wondering if they are anti-masonic. It's not necessarily the truth of things but it's a FEEEEELING

[Yshtola Rhul]

Also I really enjoy that while all three of them are arguing about nothing Yshtola and pops are able to just completely ignore them and have their own off-topic conversation. I especially like the part where Yshtola gives townreads on Auro/ML without feeding the flame with either of them.

What is your opinion on this? This indicates a scumread, which doesn't match what you've said earlier.

[Yshtola Rhul]

Thank you. What is it specifically about Alduskkel so far that makes him a town read for you?

His demeanor and how much effort he has been putting towards multiple slots in the game.

I came to a different conclusion in that most of his questions, such as the majority of post 142, appear to be made with the intent to look like he is questioning, but without the intent to truly understand. His last question in post 142, for example, is a leading question with only one "correct" answer and yet he utilizes it to make it seem as if TrueSoulEnergy is Mafia "walking the line" with Auro until he needs to cast him aside.

He does something similar to Miss Lynch in post 322 using the word "weird" instead of being straightforward with assigning alignment. One could say he is guilty of doing something similar to what he accused TrueSoulEnergy doing to Auro in that he is keeping his options open with regard to Miss Lynch (and it is not lost on me the humor in that he is lightly attacking Miss Lynch for attacking Auro and not voting him whilst keeping his vote on Egix96).

I am ignoring most of his posts with regard to "Mason" content.

This would normally be a good case for your read, but I am not convinced since he continues along this same track throughout the majority of his ISO. This is ignoring the mason comments.

As an aside, 142 is not the post you are referring to.

[Yshtola Rhul]

but like Scholarship Student Isis didn't exist when I joined mafiascum but I lover her now :/

I'm confused on what you mean by this.

If this is your first account, you joined in 2020, and yshtola was a character that existed that you could theme your account around, and both your username and avatar reflect that.

I joined in 2008, and my avatar, Scholarship Student Isis, was conceived in ~2015-16, so I couldn't possibly have picked her as a name, but I can now set her as an avatar, that is what my avatar is <-

I'm confused what this has to do with your prior questioning.

Do you believe that I am not Y'shtola Rhul because I named myself Y'shtola Rhul?

Uh
I'm not sure whether this is the first mafiascum account of the human behind the keyboard
If this is your first mafiascum account you are Y'Shtola Rhul.
If you are Ankamius who has also made an extra mafiascum account and named it Y'shtola Rhul, you would still sure be Y'shtola Rhul, you would just also be the same human as Ank.
I don't think you are potentially a viera at a keyboard the way I might have back when I believed Santa might bring me a "real live Yoshi", but that is unambiguously a defect of character on my part and an inferiority compared to what I once was.

Ah, there's the misunderstanding.

I am, in fact, not a Viera. I am a Mi'qote, specifically a Seeker of the Sun. I apologize for not realizing the mixup before, but hopefully this clears up the misunderstanding.

If you would prefer to talk to a Viera, I can see if Lyna is willing to speak to you? She's rather busy, so I wouldn't set the bar too highly for your expectations.

I like
am not even mad anymore
Ok I only played FFTA and FFTA2 where the nonhuman female-only races are all viera except for the ones with super obvious flight, so I mistook you for Viera
And I doesn't know any M'iqote lore stuff so please bring me vieras so I can reminisce about how awesome a life crossroads of being a doublecasting mage or an assassin is as a win/win life outlook.

but like I guess more importantly please help me decide if you are town in this game
maybe chide me into drinking less
thanks in advance

I understand, Vieras are rather pretty from what I've been told and I'm flattered that you would mistake me as one.

Do you believe in my purpose? Whether I am among those that are searching for the truth or merely obscuring it, it depends mostly on your interpretation of that premise.

Yes. Identifying those with aether makes sense if you also have aether, since this world provides no means for secret attacks on them. You would also do this if you were obscuring the truth, though, as it gives an explanation for how you've spent your time.

If I trust your claims of who has aether and do not slay them, though, it is hard for me to learn if they were all your secret evil friends all along. Which is why I will need for you to explain your methods to me

There is a misunderstanding.

I'm not here to determine who has aether in general, for all living things and objects hold aether within them, but instead who has distinctive aether. Those who have shown a level of determination and strength are among those that have the strongest aether, but Sin Eaters also carry significant amounts of aether, so it's not so cut and dry in the end.

[popsofctown]

I give up but I am gonna post a pretty picture

Spoiler:

[Yshtola Rhul]

Why is Rhul a scumlean? Would you join an Egix wagon?

I did not like her 380, as I believe there was enough information to make a determination of alignment in some manner. I also disagree with her read on, and rationale for, Alduskkel.

I would like for Egix96 to answer my question before I make a decision.

I am blind, and aether does not discriminate between good and evil easily. I can merely make guesses as to the validity of each option, which is prone to mistakes and misunderstandings since I can only see the backdrop of what is being shown to me. All I can do is tell you what I see so that it can help you make a decision on your own.

[Yshtola Rhul]

My purpose in this game is to find players with an exceptional quality aether. Whether they are warriors of light or sin eaters is sadly not up to me to decide, for I cannot tell the difference between them.

Pops, it seems obvious that Rhul means there's simply readable content from the three but isn't sure if alignment, she then says ML could "go either way" - I'm surprised you'd misinterpret this.

This is correct.

[Yshtola Rhul]

I think I'm starting like Sujimichi. I'm not sure whether I'm right on Auro and Alduskkel but reinventing the wheel on seeing them as aligned makes sense to me and I think I understand why she is reading Y'shtola different from me.

pedit:
Warriors of light or sin eaters means masons or VTs, is what I thought. Sin eaters are still some type of good guy, once they're done doing their thing there's less "sin" lying around, I figure.

Sin Eaters are the herald of another calamity as well as beings that feed on living aether. They are a menace that must be stopped.

[popsofctown]

I am so disappoint

[Yshtola Rhul]

Rhul, I see you didn't state your read on Pops - if you townread her, show me why.

I do not believe so, this questioning of my identity is not productive, nor sensical in the long run and provides a suitable absence of posting meant to further the game. The deflection of attention onto me is forced.

[Yshtola Rhul]

I'm falling behind and losing motivation to care as I'm starting to get the feeling pushing anyone is actually anti-town. Maybe if we all shush then scum will have to shoot out of sheer boredom.

Just push. If masons are playing correctly, it's unlikely they will be lynched. If mafia are playing correctly, it's unlikely they will be lynched. The difference is that in this case, if mafia wish to kill masons, the difference will be clear quite easily.

[popsofctown]

It's been antitown, but I'm not intentionally sabotaging the gamestate. I usually like gimmick alts

[Klick]

PEdit: Hello!
I'm not interested in those four today for a combination of reading them as town and liking how they're influencing the gamestate.
I got pretty strong town vibes off of Yshtola's Post 92 and like where she's going with things in general. With Auro I don't really have anything specific off the top of my head, but I feel like he's pushing this game in the right direction. If he keeps doing what he's doing I feel like it will benefit town in the long run, even if he winds up having a scum Role PM.

Is this post expressive of your current feelings towards the game or are you explicitly answering only the question asked?

I answered it based on what I had read at the time, which was a little over half the game.

[Klick]

Finally, I think it's pretty scummy that of the players in the game right now, the only two you can really list as possibly scummy are Homura and me. Several players have acted outside the bounds of solid, consistently town play and have solid reasons for suspicion, but none of them seem to catch your eye at all.

Up until this post the only scumread you've expressed is Alduskkel.

Hypocrisy Is Not A Scumtell

Agreed

I find myself skimming over most of Egix's posts without being able to commit much critical thinking to them. I've found in the past that that slot is scum >rand for me.

Do you mean that whenever you feel that way about a slot, that slot is scum, or that Egix's slot is usually >rand scum?

The former - when I glaze over someone's posts without thought, they tend to be scum.

[Yshtola Rhul]

It's been antitown, but I'm not intentionally sabotaging the gamestate. I usually like gimmick alts

This is reasonable.

[Auro]

Do you agree that Suji is, at best, not towny?
Should we wagon Egix?

[Yshtola Rhul]

Do you agree that Suji is, at best, not towny?
Should we wagon Egix?

Who are you speaking to?

[Auro]

You.

[Yshtola Rhul]

Both are fine wagons. I'm currently voting Homura, which is one of the two, correct?

[Auro]

That's Suji. I feel less confident about that than Egix though.