if anything juicy happened over the weekend let me know ^^
Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:24 pm
by Datisi
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:46 am
by Atarashi Hajimari
Ico you should lynch eqsy with me.
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:48 am
by WizenedWalrus
Yeah, on balance I'm now leaning more to VOTE: EqsyLootz, as the failure to produce the promised read list and the strong reaction to being called on it appears scum-indicative.
I concur, it's unlikely, but not impossible. I said the same thing earlier in the thread about it coming across as TvT. But it's easy to play town when there is nothing to really substantiate an argument either way .
In post 107, Doobietime wrote:There's not that much (that's concrete) to be taken from what's been written so far, imo. Maybe it was all towns which were having a battle of wills earlier, everybody came across well meaning so I was looking for logical flaws instead.
Let me spell it out for you.
There is a mason claim (menal). There is a counterclaim to this (mine). Menal is lying. Then Menal backs down and says he was in fact lying.
From this you conclude that I must be scum and menal is probably town. This is not a town mindset from you. Not at all. You got caught in a bad spot and are having trouble positioning yourself based on a bad read from you.
* I detected some traces of honesty during the conversation with
Elmo
, but nothing so expressive to consider
lock-town
. I believe that her doubt is genuine about the mason claim, as well as her reaction, but I still need a little more certain margin before concluding on such slot.
Lotus
,
Doobie
and
Walrus
need to be better evaluated before I can rate them (even with Lotus being
scummy
recently).
*
Hajimari
and
72offsuit
are
TL
because of their tone, at least as far as I saw.
*
Ico
is a potentially
mason
(if not confirmed), while
Menalque
demonstrates a presence that can be beneficial, but which is subject to his performance, and the time he will spend alive in this game.
* I will continue to operate at a low frequency, focusing on developing some sketches in my notebook. I will be available if anyone needs a second opinion on any matter.
Spoiler:
Find it hard to believe, but I actually agree with Clidd;s readslist for once.
Ye, agree that Mena is unlikely to be scum. Super risky strategy in a Newbie game to pull this sort of gambit. Agree it is basically suicide to trade 1 for 1.
This doesn' feel genuine at all. There's a huge event (the claim and counterclaim), and from this you conclude a 'lean'? In what world is this not simply hard scum or hard town? I've not cased 72 yet, but i'm getting them scummmmmy vibes from this slot.
In post 410, Doobietime wrote:I'm confused by the multiple reactions to my continued vote on Ico, especially as it's been spelled out for me that it's not outside the realms of possibility. It's the best I have, guys!
I'm still reading everybody, including Menalque. It would be stupid not to. But I'm leaning towards him being Town for now, mostly because of his entrance- the aforementioned arrogance, the fact he said he plays for fun. This makes me feel like he dropped the mason bomb just to see how it would play out, I don't see him doing so without contingency plans in place for different reactions though. I can see ways he could be scum too. Tbh I haven't even ruled out that he might really be a Mason and there's stuff going on behind the scenes we aren't seeing. I have too many theories and not enough data to start narrowing them down.
I've got brainache, if I get lynched I'm going to have to put off starting a new game so I can lurk and keep up with what's happening :')
So you townread a faked claim, that drew out actual town power. And are scumreading the town power that counterclaimed the faker. How is this genuine? You are turning and twisting and sitting the fence wrt to all of the claim shenanigans but fail to take an actual stance. Heavily scum indicative.
In post 409, EqsyLootz wrote:IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER PR CLAIMS! COME OUT IMMEDIATLY AND CC THE MASON! If we have another PR claim the Mason is fake. Or if the PR cc is fake as both Masons' comfirm each other.
Holy shit can we lynch this scum-butt already?
Actually, this is the absolute optimal play for other town power to make. Town power is designated to catch scum, and if they counterclaim they literally achieve their mission. It's a SOLID trade. I don't read this as scum at all.
my issue with atar is that it's felt like they've sometimes been pushing stuff that they thought was pushable, instead of actually thinking about whether it's scum
see: the push on eqsy
if you're hard town there I'll go with you though
thoughts on clidd?
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:39 am
by Menalque
72 is a good lynch, but idk about the partner
I was thinking Elmo earlier but they kind of seemed town in some of their stuff?
and their push on walrus makes me think it's not walrus, also I don't particularly read walrus as anything yet
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:41 am
by Doobietime
Welcome back! I'll accept your position Ico. I can't validate myself further, I expect from your tone you feel the same way, if you're telling the truth I expect it will become abundantly clear to me soon enough.
Was hoping to start up where I left off yesterday but today has become much busier than anticipated. May not be able to get back to you guys til tonight or worst case scenario, tomorrow. Definitely will be back, feel free to prod away, I might like it
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:29 am
by clidd
Im back.
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:39 am
by Atarashi Hajimari
In post 540, Menalque wrote:they've sometimes been pushing stuff that they thought was pushable, instead of actually thinking about whether it's scum
Also this seems to imply you tr eqsy. Is that true?
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:48 am
by clidd
Spoiler:
In post 524, 72offsuit wrote:1 TBC... And this game so far I read you more as being town.
2. I have a townlean on you. I haven;t ruled you out as being mafia, you could most definitely be scum, I just don't see any scum-indicative behaviour so far.
3. I want to pressure Walrus more. There are still 4 days of D1. He is lurking and the posts he has posted don't give me the impression of a townie scum-hunting.
4. I don;t see how you asking me this and me responding to this is pro-town. If you or anyone else can explain and convince me of the benefit of this question, then I'll answer.
5. In the hypothetical scenario that Menal is mason:
Lotus/esqy - most probable, given post 213, where they say they believe the claim
NOT Ico - I doubt ico would have agreed to this plan and the response from ico was quite emphatic, felt like genuine frustration to mena's claim.
NOT Elmo - due to post 168 where she calls it a bad claim and because mena scumreads her
NOT me - because mena scum-read me
6. D1 strategy is to lynch the townie that I could most effectively paint as being scummy that looks like genuine scumhunting.
7. If Ata is scum, current read would be probably within {Clidd, Elmo, Walrus or Doobie} - middle tiers in reads list
8. I'd probably tentatively guess that its vanilla townie vs vanilla townie claiming masons
Depends on the night kill, depends on what my exact PR role was and what result i got from my night action.
If I had a guilty-ish/mafia-indicative report, I would allow for some scumhunting by town to proceed, see what evolves out of the mason claim situation if nethier claim died, and then out it towards the middle of the day: to allow for scumhunting early on, but to also allow enough time at the end of day for discussion of the report, my claim, and planning for the days ahead.
Hum.
I'm having a hard time distinguishing your behavior. There are some suggestive traits in your answers that match the scenario in which I would answer the same questions.
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:50 am
by clidd
I am imagining that, considering that you know the process by which I formulate my
TLs
, you could emulate a behavior that I expect from a
town!72
. In the last game,
scum!72
used the same reaction as
town!you
before I hammered in the other game, that you were town, and took advantage of my empathy to sow doubt in my decisions..
Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:53 am
by clidd
In this sense, my emotional read conflicts with my rational read, considering your recent chain of thoughts.
