Newbie 2027 | Doggos | Town Win

[PlusJOYED]

we have two days left, I'm comfortable voting within: {shelly, plus, sirius, sceptorus, nika} in no particular order.

idk if plus can ever be town in my eyes at this point
shelly was fine but idk wasn't a fan of the push on plus it seemed rather aggressive as opposed to effective i guess?
sirius sceptorus and nika are all inactive to the point that they're hurting town...
i can't suggest that they replace out but i'ma say i wouldn't hate it if there were three different players in the game

I'm fine, I was just kinda pissy I was getting SR as town and elimed in multiple seperate games. I'm not very good at surviving but fuck it. Didn't help how agressive shellys push was

[Sirius9121]

Happy Father's Day to all the dads out there, even if you don't celebrate Father's Day today!

my guy is on the mars timezone lol

father day is June 2nd saturday

[PlusJOYED]

Like I said before, in earlier games I tried to devote effort to solving without worryinf about appearances. I'm still learning the game. I ended up getting elimed the same day I replaced in, and the town never really got anything from that. I've never rolled scum on this website. So this time, I'm trying to act town first solve/assist solve second so I don't die. And Shelly's agressive push on me is interfering with my solve attempts, which will probably be thrown out when I die. That doesn't help town either.

I also dislike meta dives. It should only matter if 2 of you were in that same game and what they think of the other player.

Shelly's agressive and dirty push/casing of me, twisting my words around, is clouding my judgement. A part of me wants to OMGUS shelly for their agressive push, which is similar to how they cased me in hedgehogs when they were scum and part of me wants to ignore my accusers and solve.

[PlusJOYED]

uh plus said it was a joke or something

OK I must've missed that

102 Scummy - Replaces in with an RVS vote, not caring whether RVS has been broken or if a player was at Kick-1 already.

105 Scummy – Rhetorical question. Newbie scum tend to find it hard to act natural. Rhetorical questions are an easy way to feign emotions – eg frustration
The question also feels like !scumPlus hoping someone answers no, and will join Plus in SRing !townSirius

107 Scummy – Feels like a forced, non-genuine post

115 and 116 – “Id like to put more pressure” on Sirius, but I’ll also provide him a defence “it might have been an honest mistake” – It’s not pressure when you give the player an out. It doesn’t feel consistent with a townie trying probe and set traps for scum to fall into.

122 – Inconsistency: Wants to question Echo, despite “everything else they did is pretty townie”
Grilling someone over a post, whilst telling them you townread them isn’t going to pressure !scumEcho into saying something scummy. Another instance of what feels like Plus’ words not marrying up with his intentions

125 – Reads list: “Subject to change, but for now”… over-explainy, suggests a defensive and guilty scum-mindset. Like Shelly has stated, reads list is extremely unoriginal and low-hanging fruit - scumreads lurkers and townreads active players.

206 - Responds to my 180 , Answers my point against him regarding his “no comment” (defends himself against me saying this was scummy), but ignores my questions about frog and in what way I have been opportunistic (queries relating to alignment-solving).

207 Scummy ++
Why does it make no sense to go for a solve? Discouraging players from solving the game is scummy.
I’ve done it before on day 1: Newbie 1987, in post 386
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=725

225 – Sounds like scum rueing a missed opportunity – I don’t see why town regrets what behaviour or what post they made earlier – town’s goal is to find and kick scum, not be concerned with how they appear to others.

332 – “I'm not sure if sceptorous and niaking are newbie scum because they don't know what to say and are worried about being found out, or if they are just aparhetic townies” … Fence sitting

351 – “I dislike this logic even though it is probably correct since it makes me look scummy and that interferes with my LAMIST” … guilty mindset yet again … town’s goal is to find and kick scum, not be concerned with how they appear to others.

382 – “what makes you think we can't both be townies? Just gut feeling?” 225 – Scum rueing the fact they aren’t being townread

UNVOTE: Shellyc

VOTE: PlusJOYED ,

now at K-2

This is pretty townie. But all of these things fall into categories of wither genuine mistakes, meticulous obsessing on my personality, attacking me for not wanting be SR, or twisting my words/misinterpreting them. I get it, being self conscious is bad. I'm a newbie slot, still learning this stuff.

I'm gonna commit to 72o since they still feel a lil scummy to me. Their logic doesn't make sense. I'm leaning more on scum shelly, unsure how much of that is gut/prior experience with them and how much of that is me being pissy so I'll hold off for now

need new info to help solve

[PlusJOYED]

*as in townie to case me. But the contents of the case are wack and wagoning me here at this vote count for same reasons is really just sheeping shelly too imo

[shellyc]

Shelly's agressive and dirty push/casing of me, twisting my words around, is clouding my judgement. A part of me wants to OMGUS shelly for their agressive push, which is similar to how they cased me in hedgehogs when they were scum and part of me wants to ignore my accusers and solve.

Noticed how in hedgehogs, the worst pushed you first and then I pushed you ever-so-slightly so the elim went through and the worst got all the blame for it.

this is very different

[shellyc]

This is pretty townie. But all of these things fall into categories of wither genuine mistakes, meticulous obsessing on my personality, attacking me for not wanting be SR, or twisting my words/misinterpreting them. I get it, being self conscious is bad. I'm a newbie slot, still learning this stuff.

I'm gonna commit to 72o since they still feel a lil scummy to me. Their logic doesn't make sense. I'm leaning more on scum shelly, unsure how much of that is gut/prior experience with them and how much of that is me being pissy so I'll hold off for now

why is my wall scummy and 72offsuit's wall townie? doesn't make sense

[shellyc]

Like I said before, in earlier games I tried to devote effort to solving without worryinf about appearances. I'm still learning the game. I ended up getting elimed the same day I replaced in, and the town never really got anything from that. I've never rolled scum on this website. So this time, I'm trying to act town first solve/assist solve second so I don't die. And Shelly's agressive push on me is interfering with my solve attempts, which will probably be thrown out when I die. That doesn't help town either.

My vote still stays on you because this reads AtE to me.

could be authentic townie emotion but let's see. town!plusjoy exists in a world if we are TvT-ing and can stop bickering

[JacksonVirgo]

Mundivore replaces Nikahang

[shellyc]

Welcome Mundivore to the game!

hopefully this isn't another lurker

[EchoVision]

ight so ima respectfully ask that nobody acts on this because

im putting plusjoyed at L-1, please wait until the second person also replaces in to get an idea of that slot before we lynch this slot, as well as DECLARING INTENT PRIOR TO HAMMERING

VOTE: plusjoyed

i don’t like the whole “i always get killed i’m never scum” vibe... pity has no place in mafia and the only thing it does is make me think you’re scum

your job as town isn’t to stay alive, it’s to help

the town

stay alive
don’t worry about yourself staying alive so much and it won’t come off as scummy

[EchoVision]

oh also if mundivore “accidentally” kills plusjoyed in their catch up that’s a great starting spot tomorrow so i’m kind of okay with any outcome here

[JacksonVirgo]

I would also like to note, If no replacement is found N1 will be paused

[shellyc]

PlusJoy please claim because you're at E-1

the survivalistic mindset is so scummy upon rereading, our wincon is to kick all the scum NOT stay alive

[PlusJOYED]

Fuck.
I am the town friendly neighbor.

[PlusJOYED]

I really just wanted to stay alive day/night 1, guess that's not happening now

[72offsuit]

Lol. Worst request for a claim and worst claim ever, even for a. Newbie game.

[72offsuit]

UNVOTE: PlusJOYED

I dont buy the claim.

1. Total scumbucket, so i think its extremely likely just scum role fishing and trying to avert their lynch.

2. No PR is that ready to out themselves at the drop if a hat, especially not when:
A) a player requested for no hammers
B) we have replacements incoming
C) request for a claim came from their scumread
D) request came from a player who was already on their wagon And unable to actually hammer

Unvoting until replacements in.

[72offsuit]

I think we should still kick PlusJOYED despite that terrible claim

[72offsuit]

I really just wanted to stay alive day/night 1, guess that's not happening now

Appeal to emotion.

[PlusJOYED]

I think we should still kick PlusJOYED despite that terrible claim

that's super dumb
This is like, the only PR role that can confirm itself with another player. And since it's rolecop setup, I'll either die (most likely), confirm myself with another player, or get elimed day 2 if im scum

[Noraa]

Lol. Worst request for a claim and worst claim ever, even for a. Newbie game.

UNVOTE: PlusJOYED

I dont buy the claim.

1. Total scumbucket, so i think its extremely likely just scum role fishing and trying to avert their lynch.

2. No PR is that ready to out themselves at the drop if a hat, especially not when:
A) a player requested for no hammers
B) we have replacements incoming
C) request for a claim came from their scumread
D) request came from a player who was already on their wagon And unable to actually hammer

Unvoting until replacements in.

Oh boy I must say yes that was a pretty terrible claim. Echo literally gave you an excuse to not have to tell people your pr role(if u really are pr) I feel like its prolly possible that plus is scum and claiming fn but at the same time I think he might really be fn because otherwise how would he prove it? Fn(if I remember correctly) is the one that can send a pm to one person each night and say they are town. If he claimed it d1 that means he's ready to prove it n1 ... right?
"2. No PR is that ready to out themselves at the drop if a hat, especially not when:blah blah"
I don't agree. Noobs have no fucking idea what they are doing. Just look at the second marathon game I played in. They declared intent and I just told them I was a cop. Didn't think it thru gotta say but I literally just told them straight up. As a noobie, I don't understand how replacements have anything to do with shit or how hammering is supposed to work, who is allowed to, who is not etc. Ur an se and I'm sure these points r valid but plus said he's a noob and to me, most of these points don't mean shit so I doubt he thought of them beforehand either.

[shellyc]

Guys plusjoy outed scum here

I’m the doctor and doctor is impossible to be paired with a TFN

Hammer this right now

[Noraa]

I see how Plus is Ate'ing people but i feel like its normal to not want to die d1. Cuz if all of town thinks he's scum, then he's a lost case obvi. I seriously get townie vibes from him and want to say he's prolly just a noob that doesn't know wtf he's doing but I read thru the wall and must say yeah it does seem a lil scummy. I feel like either is possible at this point so plus will go back to my null category.

[shellyc]

Fuck.
I am the town friendly neighbor.

dude next game don't claim TFN as scum

I'm YOUR TOWN DOCTOR EVERYONE