Yellowstone

[Noraa]

VOTE: Momrangal

why not

VOTE: DGB

explain your vote pls.

[Nero Cain]

Votecount 1.7

bad bear pun count

: 4

[3]Horsewoman:

JacksonVirgo, Toogeloo, Momrangal

[2]Momrangal:

Marky Mark, DrippingGoofball

[1]Vaxkiller:

Flea the Magician

[1]JacksonVirgo:

Vaxkiller

[1]no elimination:

no elim

[1]Toogeloo:

Horsewoman

[1]Flea the Magician:

Nono

[1]no elim:

AGamblingPig

[1]Flea the Magician:

Guillotina

[1]DrippingGoofball:

Noraa

[0] Not Voting:

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

The elimination deadline is in (expired on 2020-12-22 12:35:35).

[Noraa]

VOTE: Momrangal

why not

VOTE: DGB

explain your vote pls.

I still think Guillo is the scummiest tho jus saying.

[Noraa]

damn i missed it

HA

[Noraa]

Happy with a scum lean here at the moment.
I was suspicious and went for a dive to see what I'd find.

Also I am massively disappointed that despite listening to spotify all day, I haven't inserted more than 1 song.

This however, I can take. SL on horsewoman is definitely fine and unlike some other people, I do think ur considering everything instead of just screaming "SHE LIED ABOUT BEING NEW"
OH NO!
I've lied in games before and been town....yall needa chill especially since it wasn't really even a lie. It was more a y'all interpreted wrong type of thing(imo).

[Guillotina]

Spoiler:

Evening all, today has just been very mental with work, so apologies for not being on. This will be a flying catchup post until I get a chance to sit down properly (hopefully tomorrow)

UNVOTE: - I'll give Llama's replacement a chance to catch up and psot their thoughts of the game state. The slot is scummy an I don't want to let it slip off the hook, but my vote there serves no purpose atm.

On a similar note - I can see that Pig's vote is on No Elim, who is also being replaced.
- @Pig: Who would be your next choice to vote aside from no elim's slot?

You still think it's not crazy to ask to be treated like a noob when you have mafia experience?

This is my first game since 2018 and I played only a handful of games then. The site meta has changed drastically in those two years leaving me very unfamiliar with people, and the prevalent playstyles. Yet, it would be extremely odd if I asked to be taken easy on but if no one knew about that, no one would think twice about it and they would even have the urge (whether they know it or not) to take it easy on the perceived newbie.

There is only one alignment who would really want to be treated in that manner

Mafia

I just don't get this post - like

why bother

stating the obvious assumption being drawn here

when we can all see

what Momrangal was trying to convey?

Also, this did feel like shading. I don't believe you are an idiot if you are playing this game so I don't believe your question was a real one. Then you state that we can all see what Momrangal was trying to convey. Who is all? Did you ask each and every one of us to come to that conclusion?

When I say Marky is shading, you disagree but the moment he slightly disagrees with you, suddenly the tables have flipped is that how it is?

This is shading by the way. And this also checks with my theory that you both could be w/w

JacksonVirgo disagreed with me, but he did it in a way that can come from town so i still town read him. Your accusation is denied.

Next!

[Noraa]

You still think it's not crazy to ask to be treated like a noob when you have mafia experience?

This is my first game since 2018 and I played only a handful of games then. The site meta has changed drastically in those two years leaving me very unfamiliar with people, and the prevalent playstyles. Yet, it would be extremely odd if I asked to be taken easy on but if no one knew about that, no one would think twice about it and they would even have the urge (whether they know it or not) to take it easy on the perceived newbie.

There is only one alignment who would really want to be treated in that manner

Bro you talking like i was trying to hide my mafia experience (which was 72 hour day phases and really casual) but I immediately said I had experience when asked even though i easily could have pretended to be totally new as the forum i played on is now down and I didnt even use this username so nobody was catching me

+1

[Noraa]

Noraa seems to know a great deal about you despite you've only played two games here. Are you sure you two are not wolf partners?

She's been in multiple threads(not games)
and also lol way to shade me.

Guillo/DGB currently is part of my solve on this game.

[Noraa]

I have 0 idea who she is, she's just being weird.

well that's rude.

[Guillotina]

VOTE: Momrangal

why not

VOTE: DGB

explain your vote pls.

I still think Guillo is the scummiest tho jus saying.

Dont just say it, explain to everyone why.

Case me Noraa!

[Noraa]

Ok. Horsewoman is definitely scum. She votes Toogeloo for a naked vote instead of me for tunneling her?

She is afraid to cast that vote on me because she knows im town and im right.



Luckily for HW, Noraa will get my vote if she does not tell me what “shading” Mark did. Ts ts ts.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU

i didn't vote for you because hardcore, ridiculous irrational tunneling usually comes from town, which is what you're doing.

When you really wanna punch someone in the face cuz their obnoxious as hell, it generally is a town tell I won't lie.
I probs should be reassessing my read on guillo cuz he's so damn annoying :/

[Noraa]

*they're

[Noraa]

Toogeloo has still been a very bad, nothing poster (which is one of the reasons I voted for him already). Apart from post 408, which is a decent post, he's accomplished nothing. He hasn't asked any questions. He hasn't pushed or applied pressure. He hasn't even stated any reads ay any point. I do not like it one bit and I am voting for him still.

Marky Mark had an odd entry to the game where he started pushing me for dumb reasons. But he kind of kept an open mind and reversed that push and has overall been useful all game. His tone is sort of weird to me but I'm 100% sure that's personality. A genuinely open-minded mindset is a townie thing to do (I know that I also said hardtunnelling is townie. Scum are somewhere in between).

Noraa for me is a hard townread because of post 403 specifically, I don't think scum would ever admit to that thought process (even if it is silly).

Fleaaa has mostly done nothing and is tonally kind of odd/gimmicky (I dig it though) which means I kind of am struggling to read him. Faer (that's your pronoun right?) couple of deep dives/ISOs seem pretty good to me, faer deep dive on me is like, legitimately good (see how it's done?). But still null as of yet. I dig Flea as a person though.

This is a good post. I can see where it comes from.

[JacksonVirgo]

@guil How do you know Jackson and nora have only played two games together? I cant find that quote.

Where did they say this?

[Noraa]

You still think it's not crazy to ask to be treated like a noob when you have mafia experience?

This is my first game since 2018 and I played only a handful of games then. The site meta has changed drastically in those two years leaving me very unfamiliar with people, and the prevalent playstyles. Yet, it would be extremely odd if I asked to be taken easy on but if no one knew about that, no one would think twice about it and they would even have the urge (whether they know it or not) to take it easy on the perceived newbie.

There is only one alignment who would really want to be treated in that manner

This is a train of thought that I have seen many times that basically goes 'only mafia would care about being lynched/treated badly'. Completely wrong! Being mislynched sucks on an emotional level and it also hurts town on a game level! Town have a huge interest in not being lynched.

See this is what I'm talking about? You want us to town read you but you take posts out of context and AtE to try to get us to not push you, which makes me want to push you more. She is talking about, why would any of us would take it easy on you because you are new? Why would we believe that you are new? Why do we care that you are new or experienced? There are games for newbies here. You could have signed to one of those but you chose to sign up for a no-newbies game, which is fine! But don't expect preferential treatment.

Being myslynched sucks, but that is what towns are destined to be, some of us will have to die, so others can get info out of our deaths and solve the game. Don't take it personally, it is part of the game, don't act like it is not.

Now I'm gonna let go of your "noob" BS and work with you, help me townread you.

I'm not trying to AtE here, I was saying why many town act that way in many many games, not just myself. I never said that I would personally be upset if you eliminate me, honestly it's on you to not mis-elim me not on me. Stop putting words in my mouth. I also never expected 'preferential treatment', again putting words on my mouth. I said 'go easy on me' in my very first post and since then have said NOTHING about expecting preferential treatment and have played just like any other player.

In truth I should stop engaging with your posts because you seem to have your mind made up. But people have actually bought into your push for some reason and I'm kind of tilted about it lol.

Guillo got on my nerves really fast as well for the same reason. I empathize.

[JacksonVirgo]

Actually your definitions of shading would help me a lot.

My definition of shading is the act of discrediting someone in bad faith while putting themselves in a position of no compromise towards the discrediting.

Trivializing, devaluation, gaslighting, half tones of suspicion are various examples of shading to me.

This is similar to my own definition, discrediting someone or someones cases to put themselves in a better position than the attackee although shading on it's own is not AI and it sometimes comes naturally as a form of "attacking" scum. The context matters

[JacksonVirgo]

so its weird to see several players fixating on that once piece of evidence rather than the slot more broadly.

agree. everyone is tunneling in one this one thing so much that I think she's probs just town for all the attention.

This is generally a bad way to read someone as Town as it's not reliable, at least in my experience.

[Guillotina]

Ok. Horsewoman is definitely scum. She votes Toogeloo for a naked vote instead of me for tunneling her?

She is afraid to cast that vote on me because she knows im town and im right.



Luckily for HW, Noraa will get my vote if she does not tell me what “shading” Mark did. Ts ts ts.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU

i didn't vote for you because hardcore, ridiculous irrational tunneling usually comes from town, which is what you're doing.

When you really wanna punch someone in the face cuz their obnoxious as hell, it generally is a town tell I won't lie.
I probs should be reassessing my read on guillo cuz he's so damn annoying :/

You gonna change your read on me based on NAI shit?

Obnoxious is a personality thing, it can come from both mafia and town because such trait comes with the player, not the play! Lol.
I could be an obnoxious wolf and you are gonna town read me because im obnoxious!?

Sounds like a bs excuse to town read me and not thunderdome with me.

VOTE: Noraa

Die!

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm caught up, I skimmed alot tho. Will iso as needed.

If you skimmed a lot.

How did you come up with a full read list?

I don't want to jump to conclusions but it could be them pushing a scum agenda, I would have to check their reads compared to llama's. Actually tbh I don't even remember seeing a read list from Vax

[Noraa]

Flea's dive on HW is good, and backs up my point that there is way more stuff in there that is scummy than just the "hi I'm new thing"

I find it weird that this is stuff that JV, Flea and I have all commented on (there may be others too) but Guillo/Momrangal are still tunneled/fixated on that one specific "hi I'm new" post

Agree with the flea post. It was good.

Guillo/Mom probably isn't the solve. I do think there is a pretty decent sized possibility that at least one is scum cuz the thought process is just not great.
Guillo's annoying me a shit ton and im trying to mostly tone him out so I don't get angry. Normally when someones being super annoying, they are just bad town but im not too sure about guillo.
That leaves Mom. I feel like Mom has decent pushes tho and is fairly genuine feeling. Like I think they truly do believe in what they're saying so that's difficult.

I think maybe its just Guillo's personality and im giving him a pass for nothing.

[JacksonVirgo]

They didn't provide a read list at all.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: Momrangal

why not

VOTE: DGB

explain your vote pls.

I still think Guillo is the scummiest tho jus saying.

Why are people using votes like this. Saying that Gill is scummier defeats the original purpose of voting DGB.

[Noraa]

I do not TR horse any more cuz this many SRs on her is making me nervous of my ability to find scum but I will argue that the case on her isnt as good as maybe everyone thinks.

Is your reads that weak that you can be swayed just because the majority disagree with your read? Or is it that you don't want to look too out there as you have an image to uphold? Yes that was shade so instead of doing whatever you're doing explain why you town-read them and why any of the cases we have on them are incorrect or unbased.

Multiple times I have been the one townie that didn't realize someone was scum on day 1 when apparently it was blatantly obvious.
I can link plenty of games that fit this description and they are the reason that consensus can definitely shift my reads.

Half the cases tunneled on her saying she's new are my problem. Other cases that assess her as a whole I believe are alright but shitty tunnels over one post she made are crap.

[Noraa]

Why are people using votes like this. Saying that Gill is scummier defeats the original purpose of voting DGB.

I just want an answer from DGB.

[JacksonVirgo]

Ok. Horsewoman is definitely scum. She votes Toogeloo for a naked vote instead of me for tunneling her?

She is afraid to cast that vote on me because she knows im town and im right.



Luckily for HW, Noraa will get my vote if she does not tell me what “shading” Mark did. Ts ts ts.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU

i didn't vote for you because hardcore, ridiculous irrational tunneling usually comes from town, which is what you're doing.

When you really wanna punch someone in the face cuz their obnoxious as hell, it generally is a town tell I won't lie.
I probs should be reassessing my read on guillo cuz he's so damn annoying :/

Although I hate the way you worded this, I like this read but I'm not sure if it comes from scum wanting to get out of a pickle or Town actively reading them.