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In post 512, six pomegranate seeds wrote:I want to point out that creative is clearly not actually new, the same way that I am clearly not new. New to this website, sure. But the way he talks and thinks he's clearly quite familiar with the game.

In post 525, fferyllt wrote:CreativeName (3): SAMCRO, Kazyan, WhemeStar
Kazyan (1): Andante
six pomegranate seeds (1): CreativeName

Not Voting (0): six pomegranate seeds, skitter30

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate.

In post 523, Kazyan wrote:Ok, I see that there's been some major distrust of the way I've played today. You might not want answers from me about that, but I have them.

My "north star" for this game has been the argument between Creative and SAMCRO. I saw SAMCRO go into attack mode and I saw Creative blow up in retaliation, and this whole time, I've remained completely convinced that there must be scum between the two of them due to the veracity of that attack. Therefore, my whole objective for day 2 has been to figure out which of the two are scum. I narrowed down two players that each have a ~50% chance of being Mafia, thus leaving everyone else at a 25% chance, which meant that I didn't care about anyone else--thus the lack of commentary elsewhere. You can

not

take that blowup argument into two rounds of ELo, because unless the town is seriously on top of their game and both peripheral townies take the proper side of the argument, that's just a loss condition. What you

can

do is flip one side of Creative/SAMCRO to try your better 50% odds, and then if they're not scum, vote off the other. Even if you're wrong on your first guess, the ELo you arrive at only requires the correct town deduction instead of two. To me, there was no way that flipping either Creative or SAMCRO wasn't optimal play, unless I could somehow catch the other scum in a pool of twice as many people, which I was really not ready to do. I have a 0% success rate at scumhunting so far.

(The problem with the above plan is that you have to walk up to everyone and say "hey, I'm totally prepared to hammer either of them; I don't care which, lolol". But I can't say that, or everyone turns on me and we lose a townie, which, as I just went over, means that we lose. So I decided to play with that plan, without telling anybody what the plan was. Surprise--that looks super scummy. I'm not great at peforming my towniness, because I care more about getting mafia eliminated than surviving. I gathered a lot of suspicion in Mini Normal 2187 and in Newbie 2054 for this exact problem, and it's recurring. But now I

have

to care about not getting eliminated, because see above.)

What happened next was people splitting down the middle between Creative and SAMCRO--which was bad for two reasons. First, it mant that if a miselimination was had outside of Creative and SAMCRO, there's nothing that Mafia has left to worry about except for an incriminating tracker result. Second, it meant that we didn't even have the votepower to come to a conclusions--two people were MAI.

Once I realized that Whemestar couldn't break the tie no matter who he voted, I kinda started to lose interest, tuned out the peripheral arguments, and eventually started talking about stuff like pizza toppings. No one made any progress on deciding anything, and even the deadline timer froze. I've stopped posting so much because I stopped seeing much of a point.

Thankfully, we got Seeds next. Suddenly we get a strong towncase on SAMCRO from someone who towns very towningly, and provides a new perspective.

I would like for us to come to some kind of consensus on voting. I will admit, forthright now, that I am willing to hammer SAMCRO or to keep my vote parked on Creative, so that we can get both of them eliminated and actually put the game into a winnable state. You can do with that opinion what you want. I very much do not want an elimination on Seeds, Andante, Whemestar, Kazyan, or Skitter. The heat the Seeds has been taking, in particular, is unwarranted.

In post 531, CreativeName wrote:Oh, is he trying to lurk and it's backfiring or just generally afk

In post 529, Andante wrote:Ok, I really hate the "well we know sam and creative is a 50/50 for scum, if we vote out town in them just get the other tomorrow" I fail to see how we know for sure there is a 50/50 there, and

In post 536, Andante wrote:Know what, I kinda just want to hammer Creative. is that a bad thought? Like, we gain something from a creative flip yes?

In post 541, skitter30 wrote:I'm not planning on it. Lets wait for the sam replacement

In post 546, CreativeName wrote:Ok if you don't want me gone just yet that's ok too I guess

It makes me feel happy that I may have a chance to prove my innocence