In post 24, MegAzumarill wrote:VOTE: GeneralWu
Shifting off of Val because they will be away for the time being, and also because GeneralWu seems more concerned with semi- relevant at best posts.
Give some thoughts about the game in your posts. Or at least a vote. -_('-')_-
I understand its D1, and you are asking questions, but going forward, it will be better to ask or answer those questions with some actual info, provided something of note has happened.
As for T3, I would avoid shifting votes without an actual reason, it is the only legitimately scummy thing you have done so far imo.
Meg was pretty quick to attack me during RVS. I can see this as trying to move the game along, but in the beginning of the game, there really isn't much to talk about.
In post 45, MegAzumarill wrote: In post 43, GeneralWu wrote: In post 42, catboi wrote:While this is technically true, it feels as though your content is aimed at discussing anything other than the game itself, and for page 2, that's fine enough for my vote.
I like going off topic during RVS.
It's sort of like the breakout rooms in Zoom school. Whenever you're in a breakout room with your friends, you never discuss the topic you're supposed to discuss.
The problem isn't that you are not particularly suspicious for doing so, but that being off topic damages town.
You can provide input to the game and still add to those conversations at the same time if you wish. But only going into those only benefits scum.
If you (GeneralWu) could go into your thoughts on the game at hand that would be great.
In the beginning of the game, it's more fun to go off topic.
In post 128, MegAzumarill wrote:VOTE: GeneralWu
Hadn't finished reading and didn't see catboi unvote.
My thoughts: GeneralWu has generally done nothing to try to find scum this game, the closest to their "scumreads" is questioning why poeple think other people are towny. Now they jump to the defense of another player that realistically would not be voted out nor has done anything worthy of being townread.
Honestly it seems like GeneralWu is either scum that is paired with shwinnebago.
I would ask to not put people to E-1 though, as the longer this day goes on, the more informed decisions we can make.
Meg is focused on attacking me for "not contributing". But questioning why people think other people are towny is one way of contributing. I defended shwinnie when Roden attacked him because at that time, I didn't think there was any reason to vote out shwinnie. I don't see why that's scummy behavior.
On the other hand, Meg doesn't attack any of the other non-contributors, most notably shwinnie. He just asks shwinnie to contribute more.
In post 180, MegAzumarill wrote:Welcome back Val, glad to hear what you have to say, a lot of it has good points
And what I meant in my earlier post was that it feels like GeneralWu wouldn't have had enough information to realistically want to defend swhinniebago as quickly as she did.
Thus I SR both of them as partners.
Although I still think GeneralWu is a good hang here, after shwinnie has posted more they seem very untrusting. (i.e. they only had 2 TR and 6 SR)
This feels a lot more townie than scummy, although I disagree with quite of few of their reads.
I would like StD and Wu to contribute more to the conversation though.
I didn't defend shwinnie because I thought he was towny. If you read my posts, you can see that I simply thought shwinnie wasn't scummy. Not scummy ≠ towny.
In post 206, MegAzumarill wrote:shwinniebego, just stop with this hammer nonsense. We do not want D1 to end yet. Think about what happens if you hammer. Not only do we lose a power role if GeneralWu is one, we also lose a few days of discussion (which can be quite helpful as our total discussion in the game is on a soft limit) We also have the most on track person silenced for the rest of the game (ala nightkill.) It doesn't really matter what GeneralWu is, we don't want them hung until later.
I understand you may scumread catboi from unvoting there is the objectively best move for town.
As a general note, voting is used for pressure to get discussion out of a player, but hammering will cut off that discussion which is the point of the vote anyway.
The problem with voting for pressure is that many players know they won't be hammered early in the game, making pressure votes essentially pointless.
In post 279, MegAzumarill wrote:VOTE: SavetheDragons
I dislike eliminating shwinniebego here for a few reasons.
1. The first is that I find it likely that if they are a town, they are probably a PR ( or doing some WIFOM thing). I would not want to out them if they are so.
2. I think that their flip doesn't give us much information. Either they are a town that has very much struggled adapting to the meta on this site, or they flip scum, which would be a very attractive bus on a new player. Either way we don't learn much about other players.
3. I honestly don't scumread them that much, they seem too apart from the norm of mafia games like this, so I think their behavior is NAI.
4. I feel that their input will generate discussion that could end up being useful to town.
Instead I feel like StD is a better vote, they overall don't provide much to town.
Shwinniebego, you should post your input if you feel like you need to say something, it will both help you get better and may help town.
I would like StD to post their reads and contribute a bit more substance. It doesn't really matter if you can't post often, but at least try to post something that is useful when you do.
And T3 appears to be avoiding confronting the accusation made at him by Val89, although the accusation doesn't hold a whole lot of weight imo.
Meg says that shwinnie could possibly contribute and help town, but he scumreads me for not contributing. This is suspicious.
In post 383, MegAzumarill wrote:I'm still thinking StD may be scum, you guys keep saying that him posting one liners and such is normal, that doesn't really make him seem townie in my eyes. At best it is NAI.
I would really like them to share reads, especially since if they get Nked we will lose that input forever.
We aren't hammering yet because we can still get meaningful discussion done before the hammer falls.
In post 486, MegAzumarill wrote:I will cast the hammer tomorrow if noone has any objections, if you do, say it now. (And i know you have questions but its late for me RN and I don't want to get into it tonight or on mobile) -_('-')_- I also don't find it relevant if I get nked, and if i don't i can always discuss on day 2.
I also find it strange how you said you wanted you wanted StD to share reads since if he gets NKed we'd lose his input, but later you said that you didn't find it relevant if you got NKed. Your last post before your hammer on day 1 sounds super strange and suspicious.
In post 498, MegAzumarill wrote:VOTE: GeneralWu
I think my general d1 suspicions toward them haven't diminished, and shwinniebego brought up a good point about how the vote on them dissolved yesterday despite them saying nothing at E-1.
Let's get this show on the road.
Also I'm on V/LA but I'll make sure to check in once a day if able.
Also what the actual frick T3.
You can't scumread me just because other people unvoted me at E-1. Look back and you'll see that caboi unvoted me when shwinnie threatened to hammer out of boredom. You also can't scumread me for not saying anything at E-1. I remember pretty clearly that I was offline for that time I was at E-1; when I got back online, catboi had already unvoted me.
Notice how at first shwinnie didn't give much input, and the input initially gave didn't contain many good reasons. I find shwinnie's behavior pretty scummy, especially his posting at the beginning of the game. I also find it incredibly scummy for Meg to attack me for "not contributing" when I did contribute. Meg also didn't attack shwinnie for not contributing, even though in the beginning of the game he really didn't contribute.
I do find shwinnie less suspicious now since he is trying his best to find scum even though his reasons aren't that good. However, I think Meg is scummy, and he seems to be buddying with shwinnie. I also find it suspicious how Meg made a big long post about why he didn't want to eliminate shwinnie, and then shwinnie immediately started contributing.
I recommend we get Meg first, and if he flips red, I'd recommend getting shwinnie.
VOTE: MegAzumarill
