Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 1:59 am
Ew.
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 2:00 am
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 3:23 am
Here is where I think T3 slipped his partner....
My suspicion is Hectic made himself known in the mafia chat and T3 slipped that knowledge in the beginning of the game.
If I had the gun, Hectic would be my next shot.
My third suspect is Pavowski, which is more gut.
I had no idea that Art was Hectic's alt until Hectic officially replaced into the game. After he replaced in, I went and looked at Art's posting history. There is no reference that Art was Hectic there. So then I checked Hectic's posting history, and I went all the way back to the beginning of July (Art was born mid-July). There was no mention of an Art alt there. So how did T3 know that Art was Hectic's alt? An alt like that probably needs an ego post from it's main account in a private topic, especially for easier communicating.In post 10, T3 wrote:Players in order of readability:
Really easy: Lukewarm, marcistar
Also ez but slightly less: Pavowski, Toogeloo
I have some idea: Enchant, HockeyFan
Screw alts:, Galron, VultureHectic alt
OPENWOLF: NM
My suspicion is Hectic made himself known in the mafia chat and T3 slipped that knowledge in the beginning of the game.
If I had the gun, Hectic would be my next shot.
My third suspect is Pavowski, which is more gut.
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 3:35 am
Err.
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 3:36 am
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 3:43 am
Bah, alright. Guess that theory is shot.
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 3:51 am
Maybe I should have let that play out more. :/
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 3:51 am
Toog, knowing that now though, what are your thoughts/was that what you were keeping secret?
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:00 am
In post 512, Hectic wrote:T3 talks about marci a lot and kinda uses her as an anchor which makes her slightly more like to be town
He "hard clears" Enchant on page 1 for bad reasons but it's a bold way to treat a scum partner
^One of these is probably still scum though
He doesn't mention Pavowski much at all which is more eyebrow raises in that direction
Agree with both of these from Hectic ^. Marci has grown on me a bit and I think im willing to take her out of my scum list.In post 517, Hectic wrote:Yeah, I think we're looking at 1 of Enchant/Marci (probably marci), Pavowski, and 1 sneaky deepwolfIn post 514, Vulture wrote:Both of them have some bad posts but I don’t think they’re scum together for how Enchant defended Marci?
It feels like a weird way to treat a scum partner to go “no they’re just bad someone is framing them” and then not saying who.
I think Vulture is town from their recent posts, could be a deepwolf but Im not entertaining that idea rn.
1 question for you tho Hectic. Why are u entertaining the idea of a deepwolf being present so early? Also who do you think that deepwolf is?
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:02 am
Yeah, the main reason I wanted to keep it quiet is I wanted to see how Hectic played it out. I tried to verbalize how optimal scum play would be to make sure people weren't just assuming pro-town play meant someone was hard locked town, something Hectic as scum would very much employ.
I'm not going to clear Hectic, but my hope there was a scumslip to help dunk the case is sadly not there.
Pavowski still remains my strongest scum read based on gut.
The only non-GB person I feel comfortably as town is Luke.
I'm not going to clear Hectic, but my hope there was a scumslip to help dunk the case is sadly not there.
Pavowski still remains my strongest scum read based on gut.
The only non-GB person I feel comfortably as town is Luke.
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:49 am
HockeyFan
Vulture
Lukewarm
Toogeloo
marcistar
Enchant
Pavowski
^Given those are my reads, and I think it's Pavowski + exactly 1 of Enchant/marcistar, it would mean 1 person I'm townreading in the top 4 is scum, our dear DEEPWOLF
Although, perhaps Toogeloo wouldn't qualify as a deepwolf given he's not as strong of a townread
That's a nice theory btw, Toogeloo, kinda towny
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:52 am
Lukewarm's lack of deep solving is actually starting to worry me slightly. My experience of seeing town!him is being very analytical and proactive. There's been shades of that this game but it's started to peter out
Also, if you CTR+F T3 in his ISO, you see mentions of him saying he thinks he could flip scum, but never a reason why. I find this especially strange for Lukewarm given the familiarity he has shown with T3 in the past
Also, if you CTR+F T3 in his ISO, you see mentions of him saying he thinks he could flip scum, but never a reason why. I find this especially strange for Lukewarm given the familiarity he has shown with T3 in the past
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:56 am
Don’t tempt me with what I have tried to let go.
Earlier on, it did feel more like Luke wanted to convince me that he was genuine about how he was treating N_M which I still think was weird given the fact that if he was town he should have bit back or wondered more “huh, wonder why they’re saying this.”
Maybe he wasn’t worried because I was the only person who was saying it and N_M had already threaten to shoot me so he could have felt “in.” Meh.
Earlier on, it did feel more like Luke wanted to convince me that he was genuine about how he was treating N_M which I still think was weird given the fact that if he was town he should have bit back or wondered more “huh, wonder why they’re saying this.”
Maybe he wasn’t worried because I was the only person who was saying it and N_M had already threaten to shoot me so he could have felt “in.” Meh.
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:00 am
That's true, I've noticed he's had less bite than what I'm used to as well
I remember initially scumreading him in our last game together and he interrogated me because he was naturally suspicious of my read
How he's reacted to my initial suspicion as Art and to yours earlier contrasts that this game
I remember initially scumreading him in our last game together and he interrogated me because he was naturally suspicious of my read
How he's reacted to my initial suspicion as Art and to yours earlier contrasts that this game
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:02 am
Hum de dum
HockeyFan
Vulture
Toogeloo
Lukewarm
marcistar
Enchant
Pavowski
Anyways, I feel bad for saying it because he seems like a nice guy, but I really do think Pavowski should be the next shot, Galron. I'm fairly confident on him flipping scum just based on the way he's been posting this game, my gut's been screaming it at me for a while now
HockeyFan
Vulture
Toogeloo
Lukewarm
marcistar
Enchant
Pavowski
Anyways, I feel bad for saying it because he seems like a nice guy, but I really do think Pavowski should be the next shot, Galron. I'm fairly confident on him flipping scum just based on the way he's been posting this game, my gut's been screaming it at me for a while now
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:05 am
235 is Luke’s first “solving” post.
There’s a lot of poking at people and saying things but it’s more about either being lighthearted or when I pushed at him, trying to convince me that I was interpreting him incorrectly. I don’t see why he isn’t with T3...
There’s a lot of poking at people and saying things but it’s more about either being lighthearted or when I pushed at him, trying to convince me that I was interpreting him incorrectly. I don’t see why he isn’t with T3...
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:06 am
In post 100, Lukewarm wrote:Yeah, T3 can use some pretty questionable logic to read people as both alignmentsIn post 95, HockeyFan wrote:Does you saying its "t3 logic" mean that this is NAI for t3?In post 91, Lukewarm wrote:It is probably a bad reason to hard clear someone, but it does look like t3 logicIn post 15, HockeyFan wrote:hmmm, still dont like you hard clearing soemone on page 1
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:07 am
I’m skimming but this sort of question doesn’t exclude them as partners imo.In post 197, Lukewarm wrote:T3, are you just town reading every slot?
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:09 am
I wonder, could it be Marci if Luke is scum? T3 defending and Luke bussing with this because it’s what he can jump on but it’s not very damning either and can be backed up from.In post 235, Lukewarm wrote:In post 228, HockeyFan wrote:Ok then why are you suspicious of Marci?This really bothered me. Like I said, she just saw me make almost identical posts about not_mafia in our last game together (newbie 2072), but then I remembered that in our game before that she even commented on me saying something similar to/about not_mafia (micro 1010).
One of the big read flags for me in our last game, was that Marci seemed VERY hesitant to ever give me a town read. I think that scum!Marci worries about be getting thread control
Spoiler:
And this was like a thing that kept pinging me that game, but then I kept ignoring it. Well, not ignoring, but I kept being like, marci this is weird, why are you doing this? Marci, you know me better then this? ect, but then never actually scum read her for it, and then the game ended without me ever actually calling her scum for it.
So, when I saw that post this game, actually gonna treat it as a red flag
I have no idea what to think about luke stillHum.
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:12 am
This feels pretty meh in retrospect. I remember sympathizing with the 50/50 thing but the reasons are bad and also it fits.In post 282, Pavowski wrote:I'm townreading t3 which makes me nervous and makes me think I should be scum reading him.In post 275, Lukewarm wrote:My shoot recommendations are at
People I trust with a gun: Art and me
People that I think might flip scum : Hockey, T3, Marci
If I read Marci on this game alone I'd peg her as scummy, but Marci here does not feel like scum!Marci as I've seen her. I dunno if I'd shoot there.
Hockey I'm not sure about. Initial impression was scummy but if he's scum it's a pretty lazy effort.
Ugh everybody alive has a 50/50 shot at being scum, do not like. Gonna review d1 when I get back to my laptop.
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:13 am
marci was interacting and bouncing off Luke too much for S-S imo. Like I think it'd be a lot harder to use Luke as a focal point for scum!marci if he was also scum, it's work and harder to make look natural
Their interactions also didn't really look like theatre to me
Their interactions also didn't really look like theatre to me
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:15 am
In post 336, Pavowski wrote:In post 330, Hectic wrote:Could everyone give 3 or 4 players they think are scum, and why?
I'm suspicious of players who have voiced minimal or few scumreads, despite the fact there are FOUR scumazzers out and about from a town player's perspective. Players that fall under this category include T3, marcistar, Toogeloo, and probably others
It's probably pretty difficult for scum to voice many scumreads here, given they either have to choose in the limited pool of townies, or give scumreads on their budsI share your sentiment of suspicion and am therefore obliged to lean scum on these 3. From most to least scummy that'd be Toog -> Vulture -> Enchant, but that's based on not much and I want to hear more from them, hence my question on the previous page.Pavowski wrote:
I'm still sitting in null on too many people: Toogelo, Vulture, Enchant.
I have trouble reconciling my feelings on Marci and T3. T3 usually strikes me as scummy but feels towny, I think I'm gonna lean into that for now. I'm going with my gut to lean Marci into scum.
Hockey's play is weird but I like T3's read on it so I'm inclined to agree that Hockey feels town for now
I'm never gonna feel confident in a read on Luke, so he will probably spend most of the game in null for me but I have to put him as town for now, I don't think he's the move for today at any rate.
Then there's you (Hectic), who I think I'm towny on, but I'll have a better idea once I have some words from you to work with.
There I think I've done everybody, this is usually the point where people start scumreading me pretty hard.
In post 424, Pavowski wrote:There very well could be 2 scum there, I'm less confident in my TR on T3 over time.In post 414, Hectic wrote:I'd be disappointed if at least 2 of T3/marcistar/Pavowski weren't scum
We'd likely be in a good position if those 3 were the next 3 shots
Possibly a 5 town, 2 mafia situation
Sorry you didn't like my last 3 posts. Let me elaborate and clarify.
Toog is still in null and I could read them asking for the gun either way. I'm still leaning scum.
I didn't particularly feel I was playing defense against Hockey, moreso stating my philosophy.
And Marci, well, it looks like you agree with my conclusion on that slot if not my reasons, so I'll take it.
In post 438, Pavowski wrote:Ehhhhh.
Town-lean (no particular order)
Hectic
Luke
Hockey
Null-to-scumlean (descending order)
Vulture
Enchant
T3
Scum (would probably shoot today if I held the gun)
Toog
Marci
Now you.
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:17 am
I disagree honestly; with friends you can use the dynamic that you naturally have from being friends to override the alignment issues.In post 545, Hectic wrote:marci was interacting and bouncing off Luke too much for S-S imo. Like I think it'd be a lot harder to use Luke as a focal point for scum!marci if he was also scum, it's work and harder to make look natural
Their interactions also didn't really look like theatre to me
I have an easier time seeing (assuming Luke + Pav) Marci fit over Enchant... also the way she talked to me earlier too. And then didn’t talk to me.
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:18 am
Something always feels off even if you can't articulate it imo
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:18 am
Eh. I’ve seen some games where it was masked pretty well.