Newbie 2084: Signs [game over!]

[Cabd]

I think Cabd not keying into anything other than Cape's post is scum indicative.

:/ I mean I wanted to chime in in the realtime while catching up.

I've got a two year old now so finding time to sit down and do hard work like right now is difficult. (In fact Penguin is covering kiddo time solo right now to give me this opportunity)

I get WHY you think this but also want to asset it's completely NAI if you want I can cite examples as all alignments from the past year of this occuring.

[Prism]

I'm not currently voting you. That may change in the future depending on wagons and your content, but I'm not going to vote you just for that. I wouldn't bother outlining availability and selection of what to respond to and would focus more on other players, but that's just me.

[Cabd]

yes Cape, I did read your post. I am asking you WHY you got to "it must be TvS", or in other words, why did you rule out T-T?

Meuh, you worry me not because of voting me, but because of the issue with townreading everyone else, by definition even if I'm scum one of your reads is completely wrong? Are you trying to do preflip associative pairings? I believe prism went into why that's a VERY bad idea in a standard game.

[Cabd]

Anything else? I've probably only got another ten minutes or so for the evening, but should be able to post from work tomorrow.

Ironic that posting from work is easier than home. Parenthood, it sure is a thing.

[Prism]

I expect that a...disconcertingly large chunk of my time is about to be freed, by the way.

[Cabd]

Placement within tier not actually sorted.

Core Town: {Cape}
>Town: {Prism, Meg, Azu}
Would be Core Town without the notes/scum PT bullshit hanigng over the game: Greeting
Disliked: {Marci, Strangematter}
Very disliked: {Prohawk}

p-edit: Please do not eat the baby.

[Meuh]

yes Cape, I did read your post. I am asking you WHY you got to "it must be TvS", or in other words, why did you rule out T-T?

Meuh, you worry me not because of voting me, but because of the issue with townreading everyone else, by definition even if I'm scum one of your reads is completely wrong? Are you trying to do preflip associative pairings? I believe prism went into why that's a VERY bad idea in a standard game.

Did Prism do that? I recall her saying she didn't do preflip associations but not actually explaining why, maybe she did in another post that I missed?

I know I'm wrong somewhere else, I'm just not sure where else. I suppose lack of confidence is part of what's going on in my thought process, I tend to hit those sorts of walls when playing mafia where I just feel like I've fallen back and suddenly I don't feel like I have any grasp on what's going on and my reads are all wrong, happened around the time the whole ProHawk-Prism stuff started to happen. Big part of the reason why I just didn't post for a bit, it's demotivating and definitely something I wanna work on regarding my mentality, it's really fucked me over before, especially during my first game on MS.

[Prism]

I did not give a full explanation, because their value is definitely up for debate and not at all consensus. I don't do preflips largely because my individual reads tend to be bad enough without trying to extend them into chains.

Preflips are hard just because it adds more steps to mess up, first in the individual reads then second the causal links.

Usually town falls off the tightwire without any help, but if you're willing to play more boldly as scum you can intentionall play into S/S links and push town over the edge.

[Cabd]

Prism were you refrencing tweetiegame wrt time sinks, or?

[Cabd]

Oh nice dunk on him in the psotgame.

I admit I had it down as gamma too. Ffery was playing along but had it as yddra. WP by worstie.

[Prism]

Thank god, yes, I have been f5ing Slaughter Hour and spamming the dead PT for weeks.

[Prism]

Also, spoiler for that just-finished game, hyperaggressive defense netted a scumread and a townread, both correct.

[marcistar]

Marci feels extremely off, like she's needing to project confidence to throw off her usual tell of effort=town.

i need confidence for a diff reason ahaha

Ironic that Prism reads marci-town for the same reason i'm sorta reading marci-scum, hah. Prism, you are missing a major jump in scum ability in the Isekai game, where Marci and I were partners and she held her own MUCH better.

... if u want another point of reference of my scumgame? that might fit like a bit better into what i would act like in a newbie game

My problem is that this game followed the roadmap I kind of laid out in the scum discord for isekai BUT I acknowledge that the starting board for this game isn't the scary one that Tarot/Isekai contained and following said roadmap may not have been something that even sprung to mind.

i don't remember it

Interesting that marci directs a quesiton at Asu specifically about the reads.

me asking asustuckey abt what they thought abt meuh and greetings reads was just me trying to get them into the game i felt like maybe talking about reads would be a good starting point, am i wrong..?

[Cape90]

yes Cape, I did read your post. I am asking you WHY you got to "it must be TvS", or in other words, why did you rule out T-T?

Meuh, you worry me not because of voting me, but because of the issue with townreading everyone else, by definition even if I'm scum one of your reads is completely wrong? Are you trying to do preflip associative pairings? I believe prism went into why that's a VERY bad idea in a standard game.

I was thinking after I made my readslist that maybe my assumption was not true. I found Prism more scummy before I made that and the analysis I had provided.

Well I ruled out T-T for Prism's very confident seeming posts about them and their aggressive tunnels + Prism not listening to the people that were trying to say this was T-T

[Prism]

This game just finished.

Also, to go straight off the deep end logic-wise,

your little post link paper trails reinforce the idea that you’re overly self-conscious.

Strange that half this table, every single one of whom have fewer games with me than you, can readily vouch that

I am this aggressive and pull out receipts like this in a flash as town, but this is the most pertinent and scummy point to you.

This exchange was with a scum player as town.

[Cape90]

Marci slightly looks like town off of meta. I feel like they come off as opportunistic and awkward in their scum game and not this game.

[Cape90]

Lmao I remembered that game completely wrong.

Cabd was eliminated, it was Illwei who went under the radar (mostly due to a bad idea I had), and I'm still looking for whoever had said that.

Oh Illwei, played with them before . They are nice

[Cape90]

No, I don't vote to piss people off, people just take offence in general to being voted has been my general experience. You voting for someone calls attention to yourself, versus being a "neutral" party and staying out of fights, etc.

I feel like more scum get mad at votes vs. town. Like town may ask about why they are being voted if it isn't clear or if they think the person pushing them is mafia or they think mafia is on the wagon etc. Or if a person in particular is tunneling hard and it doesn't seem like that person is reciprocating your defense.

Okay stream of conscious says you are at least half right.

[Cape90]

Greeting absolutely has a meta shift, unsure if that's AI though....

Imagine if the world was just this simple... Greeting & ProHawk.

Rule 1 of Cape town: I always townread at least 1 mafia.

[Datisi]

vote count 1.10

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-11-28 00:30:00).

elimination

ProHawk [3]:

Prism, marcistar, Cape90

StrangeMatter [1]:

ProHawk

marcistar [1]:

Greeting

Prism [1]:

MegAzumarill

Cabd [1]:

Meuh

not voting [2]:

Cabd, StrangeMatter

mod notes

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[Datisi]

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[Greeting]

VOTE: Cabd

POE

I honestly just don't really see many realistic scum teams within the 8 slots that have been active and townread most people so I think Cabd just has to be scum here.
Main issue with this elim would be lack of info from the flip which would kinda suck, but I just don't really know where else we should elim here, none of the options really have me convinced
Maybe Strange is still a better elim just cause it provides more info on flip and I can see that slot be scum but meh, I think mafia Cabd is

significantly

more likely than it is for anyone else

I really think Meg's town here, idk why exactly but their vibes are immaculate at the moment

I'm glad that there is someone out there who got to a similar conclusion to myself.

VOTE: Cabd

[Greeting]

My attempts to get more out of

Prism

and

MegAzumarill

have been ignored. But I can't scumread either for that, given that they apparently were occupied elsewhere. Still, this doesn't let me make any progress when it comes to my personal reads and that's why my vote is where it landed this very moment.

I don't think I'm voting

ProHawk

today. I'm definitely not voting out

Prism

today.

StrangeMatter

? I'm unwilling. That's why my choice is

Cabd

, a slot which subbed in and did far less with their reads than other players, such as myself,

Meuh

,

MegAzumarill

or

Prism

. Since I can't do 1 (referencing post 381), I'll do 2 with

AsuStuckey

's successor.

[ProHawk]

Cabd is coming in all kinds of buddy buddy hey guys remember this game and that let's use the history we have together to skew my reads... And if memory also serves right, he uses meta as scum to frame most arguments for mis-eliminations.

It's still dumb to me that he hasn't voted considering the time we have renaming.

VOTE: Cabd

[ProHawk]

Greeting absolutely has a meta shift, unsure if that's AI though....

Imagine if the world was just this simple... Greeting & ProHawk.

Rule 1 of Cape town: I always townread at least 1 mafia.

It's not. You should rethink this.