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In post 523, Auro wrote:"hmm, if somehow X slot were to be night killed, hmm hmm hmm, then my opinion could change..."

In post 469, GuiltyLion wrote:You're trying now to get him to talk about what he thinks scum!Bingle would or wouldn't do, which I don't see as all that meaningful or useful.

In post 474, LicketyQuickety wrote:

In post 455, Salsabil Faria wrote:

This is the perfect example of the kind of weird I expect from Scum!Salsa.

For example, Salsa voted someone multiple times without actually voting someone else in the game I played with them where they were Scum. So this sort of counting posts to get to page top is right in line with the same kind of weirdness IMO.

In post 478, Not_Mafia wrote:

In post 446, Salsabil Faria wrote:22

In post 447, Salsabil Faria wrote:23

In post 448, Salsabil Faria wrote:24

In [url=https://forum.mafiascumnet/viewtopic.php?p=13149268#p13149268]post 449[/url], Salsabil Faria wrote:25

Let's stop this please

Ok boss

Also I'm voting

Roden

iirr

@Mod

In post 487, Bingle wrote:

In post 482, Almost50 wrote:So you did see at as signaling. GOOD. Now ACT upon it.

Okay.

VOTE: Salsa

In post 489, mc esther wrote:the salsabil post where she acknowledges she's not scum hunting, lmao.

In post 510, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 506, LicketyQuickety wrote:GL, what is your read on Salsa atp?

I think Salsas been real scummy and I have no issues with the wagon. I mainly haven't moved my vote because I didn't want to defuse my pressure on Roden, but seems like I scared him away from the game lol

I don't think I've been too forgiving? Who have I mistakenly forgiven in your eyes?

In post 513, LicketyQuickety wrote:

In post 510, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 506, LicketyQuickety wrote:GL, what is your read on Salsa atp?

I think Salsas been real scummy and I have no issues with the wagon. I mainly haven't moved my vote because I didn't want to defuse my pressure on Roden, but seems like I scared him away from the game lol

I don't think I've been too forgiving? Who have I mistakenly forgiven in your eyes?

Are you planning on killing your SRs with kindness or something? You're SRing both Roden and Salsa and seem to be very gentle with both of them.

That's why I asked if you ever are aggressive as Town. Which you didn't answer. And why are you not SRing someone who is giving a bogus meta read on you if you're not aggressive as Town?

P-Edit. Okay, so then my question still stands in why you are just acting flowery with your SRs. Does not make sense. Are these just tentative SRs or what?

In post 526, mc esther wrote:

In post 523, Auro wrote:"hmm, if somehow X slot were to be night killed, hmm hmm hmm, then my opinion could change..."

i liked auro's earlier posts on signalling -- not in that i really agreed with them, just in that he raised the issue and pushed it reasonably, without discussing how a scumteam might interpret it as a signal -- but this sort of post is the reason i asked pavowski to drop the issue.

In post 527, Salsabil Faria wrote:If GL is scumreading me but not voting me is an issue here, you also don't vote me yet but keep expressing multiple times or showing prove that I'm scum here and voting Roden instead...

Auro wrote:It's straightforward how a scumteam would interpret it given they treat it as a signal. Further discussion would only make it harder for a scumteam to act on it.

In post 436, mc esther wrote:posts like this are the ones that have me going "scum dont have to do this and im really not sure they want to". the evidence in-thread is that nobody wants to make these posts! it pings town over scum to me because i think it disproportionately benefits scum to leave those pages as much a black hole as possible. clarifying the general thrust of the argument and giving interpretations seems to be hurt the mafia's, idk, "abstract wincon" (a low-information gamestate) way beyond any towncred it might be worth; it would cost literally nothing to just, refuse to make any attempt.

In post 531, Auro wrote:Meanwhile, while you're here: has your recent convo with Pavowski helped develop your read on him?

In post 436, mc esther wrote:

In post 433, Auro wrote:Similar question to Esther: do you believe that scum!GL wouldn't have posted pro-town content as he did so far?

early game, fair question. to some extent, i cant know, and that's what makes online mafia so difficult. it'd be a very weak towntell if it stopped there.

In post 290, GuiltyLion wrote:my one main salient takeaway from the LQ/Roden bit is that both are making dubious claims on one particular front

Roden in 205 asks LQ if LQ thinks Roden "purposefully puts himself in this situation as scum". Again I think Roden is questionably taking credit for something that I feel I'm responsible for (early wagon/pressure on Roden). The logic of "why would I get wagoned as scum" isn't easy to understand from either a town/scum perspective, it's not clear what Roden specifically thinks that he did to get himself wagoned and whether that was intentional. However I have seen both alignments make the "I wouldn't be wagoned if I were scum here" claim, it's not something I feel comfortable reasoning about as AI but I certainly don't townread it, at best it's WIFOMy.

However, Roden has a point in 209 that LQ agreeing that scum!Roden might indeed intentionally "put himself in this situation" is also a bad take. Scum do not love early scrutiny, in almost any circumstance. I don't see LQ's logic in implying that this COULD be a scum plan - again, how and where did Roden even intentionally invite pressure on himself? Whatever Roden's alignment is, I'm sure he'd rather not be voted and rather not have to argue with people voting him.

I can see what LQ is saying in that LQ just kinda went along with an idea (being intentionally wagoned) that Roden put out there, but it's just such bad reasoning on both sides ("if I were scum, I wouldn't be wagoned") ("no, if you were scum, this might be your plan!!") that I'm having a hard time parsing why either player is taking any of the logic seriously.

posts like this are the ones that have me going "scum dont have to do this and im really not sure they want to". the evidence in-thread is that nobody wants to make these posts! it pings town over scum to me because i think it disproportionately benefits scum to leave those pages as much a black hole as possible. clarifying the general thrust of the argument and giving interpretations seems to be hurt the mafia's, idk, "abstract wincon" (a low-information gamestate) way beyond any towncred it might be worth; it would cost literally nothing to just, refuse to make any attempt.

In post 469, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 468, Salsabil Faria wrote:If I don’t understand something, I'll ask.

sure, but it feels like you're trying to drag Pav into a debate about claims that he didn't make or arguments that aren't important. From my impression of his original 440, all Pav was saying was that if he were to

know

that I am town, he would then think that Bingle's shade on me might indicate Bingle scum. However, as soon as you say something like that it can poison the well for NKA (a non-Bingle scum team might shoot me in an attempt to make Bingle look bad), so he wanted to clarify that he doesn't also think me being NK'd would

further

make him suspect Bingle. This is also basically exactly what he then clarified in 457 and 462.

You're trying now to get him to talk about what he thinks scum!Bingle would or wouldn't do, which I don't see as all that meaningful or useful. No one has been killed yet, it doesn't develop nor change my understanding of his original posts, and it isn't something that Pav would have different reasoning about whether he's town or scum. Hence, I don't understand how the line of questioning actually helps you sort Pav, it feels like busywork at best and at worst potentially trying to stir up "issues" with Pav that you can then use to push him.

In post 472, Almost50 wrote:I'm still waiting on Roden, D'Arby, Galron, Enchant & T3 to submit their lists

In post 508, Bingle wrote:I really dislike GLs auro takes, btw. It reads like gl is calling auro scummy for being paranoid, which is p much the exact opposite of what someone being paranoid usually indicates.

In post 513, LicketyQuickety wrote:

In post 510, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 506, LicketyQuickety wrote:GL, what is your read on Salsa atp?

I think Salsas been real scummy and I have no issues with the wagon. I mainly haven't moved my vote because I didn't want to defuse my pressure on Roden, but seems like I scared him away from the game lol

I don't think I've been too forgiving? Who have I mistakenly forgiven in your eyes?

Are you planning on killing your SRs with kindness or something? You're SRing both Roden and Salsa and seem to be very gentle with both of them.

That's why I asked if you ever are aggressive as Town. Which you didn't answer. And why are you not SRing someone who is giving a bogus meta read on you if you're not aggressive as Town?

P-Edit. Okay, so then my question still stands in why you are just acting flowery with your SRs. Does not make sense. Are these just tentative SRs or what?

In post 515, LicketyQuickety wrote:

In post 514, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 513, LicketyQuickety wrote:P-Edit. Okay, so then my question still stands in why you are just acting flowery with your SRs. Does not make sense. Are these just tentative SRs or what?

I don't think I've been especially flowery? Like where do you see me doing that, specifically? I went in hard on Roden, he bailed, and Salsa has had enough attention that I haven't needed to push it myself. I'm satisfied with the gamestate currently, I don't need to do anything at the moment other than poke at peripheral slots like Auro

These posts right here:

In post 133, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 130, LicketyQuickety wrote:This is over aggro. Sort of feels fake.

being fair to Roden, I basically challenged him in my last post to go at me, so I'm not surprised to see him bite back. What I'd like to actually hear from him though is why he thinks my behavior is more likely to come from me as scum than me as town, because that's what's missing

In post 469, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 468, Salsabil Faria wrote:If I don’t understand something, I'll ask.

sure, but it feels like you're trying to drag Pav into a debate about claims that he didn't make or arguments that aren't important. From my impression of his original 440, all Pav was saying was that if he were to

know

that I am town, he would then think that Bingle's shade on me might indicate Bingle scum. However, as soon as you say something like that it can poison the well for NKA (a non-Bingle scum team might shoot me in an attempt to make Bingle look bad), so he wanted to clarify that he doesn't also think me being NK'd would

further

make him suspect Bingle. This is also basically exactly what he then clarified in 457 and 462.

You're trying now to get him to talk about what he thinks scum!Bingle would or wouldn't do, which I don't see as all that meaningful or useful. No one has been killed yet, it doesn't develop nor change my understanding of his original posts, and it isn't something that Pav would have different reasoning about whether he's town or scum. Hence, I don't understand how the line of questioning actually helps you sort Pav, it feels like busywork at best and at worst potentially trying to stir up "issues" with Pav that you can then use to push him.

In the first, you are giving Roden a pass. In the second, you are basically treating Salsa with kid gloves.

In post 516, GuiltyLion wrote:I disagree with your assessment of both those posts, but I appreciate you referencing them. The first one in particular is definitely not a pass, I'm explicitly challenging him to explain why he thinks my play comes from me as scum

In post 527, Salsabil Faria wrote:

In post 469, GuiltyLion wrote:You're trying now to get him to talk about what he thinks scum!Bingle would or wouldn't do, which I don't see as all that meaningful or useful.

I asked because I want to know the thought process behind their comment which is creating WIFOM.

My questions are usually based on what I don't understand, others perfectly understand it or not isn’t my concern.

In post 474, LicketyQuickety wrote:

In post 455, Salsabil Faria wrote:

This is the perfect example of the kind of weird I expect from Scum!Salsa.

For example, Salsa voted someone multiple times without actually voting someone else in the game I played with them where they were Scum. So this sort of counting posts to get to page top is right in line with the same kind of weirdness IMO.

Weirdness is NAI for me.

In post 478, Not_Mafia wrote:

In post 446, Salsabil Faria wrote:22

In post 447, Salsabil Faria wrote:23

In post 448, Salsabil Faria wrote:24

In [url=https://forum.mafiascumnet/viewtopic.php?p=13149268#p13149268]post 449[/url], Salsabil Faria wrote:25

Let's stop this please

Ok boss

Also I'm voting

Roden

iirr

@Mod

In post 487, Bingle wrote:

In post 482, Almost50 wrote:So you did see at as signaling. GOOD. Now ACT upon it.

Okay.

VOTE: Salsa

LOL!

In post 489, mc esther wrote:the salsabil post where she acknowledges she's not scum hunting, lmao.

I'm struggling in this game tbh.

In post 510, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 506, LicketyQuickety wrote:GL, what is your read on Salsa atp?

I think Salsas been real scummy and I have no issues with the wagon. I mainly haven't moved my vote because I didn't want to defuse my pressure on Roden, but seems like I scared him away from the game lol

I don't think I've been too forgiving? Who have I mistakenly forgiven in your eyes?

But the wagon shifts on me, so your one vote won't give that much of pressure on scum!

Roden

wagon.

In post 513, LicketyQuickety wrote:

In post 510, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 506, LicketyQuickety wrote:GL, what is your read on Salsa atp?

I think Salsas been real scummy and I have no issues with the wagon. I mainly haven't moved my vote because I didn't want to defuse my pressure on Roden, but seems like I scared him away from the game lol

I don't think I've been too forgiving? Who have I mistakenly forgiven in your eyes?

Are you planning on killing your SRs with kindness or something? You're SRing both Roden and Salsa and seem to be very gentle with both of them.

That's why I asked if you ever are aggressive as Town. Which you didn't answer. And why are you not SRing someone who is giving a bogus meta read on you if you're not aggressive as Town?

P-Edit. Okay, so then my question still stands in why you are just acting flowery with your SRs. Does not make sense. Are these just tentative SRs or what?

If

GL

is scumreading me but not voting me

is an issue here, you also don't vote me yet but keep expressing multiple times or showing prove that I'm scum here and voting

Roden

instead...

UNVOTE: Roden

VOTE: LQ

In post 393, Almost50 wrote:I feel bored, so I may decide to actually play this game seriously. (Sorry for those this may disappoint)

OK..

First "Dictatorian" Declaration:

I; King of thread and ruler of both Town & Mafia alike; have decided in all my mighty grace to

request

order all of my subjects and minions to each provide a 3-players list of their top TRs (NOT including self).

- You have 24 hours to comply.
- Once submitted you cannot alter your choices.