Tet I don't see shit buddy, how bout you explain it to me so I can LOL abt it
mastina Idk what your Deal is with the town/scum "sorting" you're doing BUUUUUUUUT I don't like it can you explain the fuckin reads you're doing please thanks in advance!!! Also what the fuck I trust LLD every game I play with her to date tbh it should be NAI LOL
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2022 3:46 am
by MUSHSHAGANA
Oh yeah also T3 I thought I'd say something abt your push but the fuckin argument is so bad after the back-n-forth I had with Noraa that it doesn't even make sense, try actually reading my fuckin posts lolllll
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2022 5:30 am
by SirCakez
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2022 5:52 am
by Save The Dragons
roden's posts are yucky
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2022 5:56 am
by Save The Dragons
mastina's page 2 readlist is questionable
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2022 6:28 am
by The Three Bears
In post 498, mastina wrote:Bell
Save The Dragons
The Three Bears (Titus, Flea the Magician, Noraa)
NorwegianboyEE
Tet
Roden
tictac
Malakittens
Lady Lambdadelta
Well that depends on how good I think her reads are.
But vote-wise, until the end of D1 is the plan.
LLD is fully capable of being wrong and vocal D1 and it doesn't happen very often. I don't get why the sheep here.
~Mama
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2022 6:32 am
by The Three Bears
In post 525, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Tet I don't see shit buddy, how bout you explain it to me so I can LOL abt it
mastina Idk what your Deal is with the town/scum "sorting" you're doing BUUUUUUUUT I don't like it can you explain the fuckin reads you're doing please thanks in advance!!! Also what the fuck I trust LLD every game I play with her to date tbh it should be NAI LOL
In post 526, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Oh yeah also T3 I thought I'd say something abt your push but the fuckin argument is so bad after the back-n-forth I had with Noraa that it doesn't even make sense, try actually reading my fuckin posts lolllll
I see why Ircher wanted to vote here.
~Mama
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2022 6:36 am
by The Three Bears
Oh EXTREME VLA TOMORROW AT 11:30 PST UNTIL SUNDAY.
~Mama
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2022 6:37 am
by Cephrir
In post 525, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Tet I don't see shit buddy, how bout you explain it to me so I can LOL abt it
mastina Idk what your Deal is with the town/scum "sorting" you're doing BUUUUUUUUT I don't like it can you explain the fuckin reads you're doing please thanks in advance!!! Also what the fuck I trust LLD every game I play with her to date tbh it should be NAI LOL
First paragraph: I dont get where the confidence is coming from here. They did explain it already, and I agree with them
Second: no, she can't. If you expect logic from everyone you are not going to like mastina.
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2022 6:41 am
by The Three Bears
In post 535, Cephrir wrote:Second: no, she can't. If you expect logic from everyone you are not going to like mastina.
You must work for Samsonite because you're giving me a lot of baggage.
~Mama
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2022 7:12 am
by MUSHSHAGANA
Noooo way its bears Ceph Ircher T3 Tet. Haaaa no way. That'd be counter productive, esp when this system's not that fuckin good historically (Death Curse excepted LOL)
So at least some of yall are coming from a town perspective on this argument vs me, and I do not understand it, its utter gibberish (not as bad as what Greeting was comin up with but still wtf LOL)
So like. Explain where the issue is, I laid my argument out for backing off of Ceph step by fuckin step, where's my mistake in it ffs?
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2022 7:36 am
by Cephrir
i'll just give it a go: i believe tet's point is that your initial argument against me shouldn't be mitigated by any actions i take after the fact. if you believe i've scumslipped, then it shouldn't make a difference whether my posts are good
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2022 7:41 am
by MUSHSHAGANA
But like its not hard to believe you might have come up with "alien imposter" shit on your own also???? Like a scumslip doesn't have to be fuckin binary it can be on a sliding scale and tbh probably usually IS on a sliding scale just people don't realize they're taking some grey-area shit and treating it as wholly yes/no LOL
And I explained all this shit in my step by step breakdown, like, it ISN'T entirely fuckin binary, there was a chance of you just not fuckin lying, and yet it still is a logical misstep HOW? Explain THAT part
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2022 7:44 am
by Cephrir
In post 539, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:But like its not hard to believe you might have come up with "alien imposter" shit on your own also????
considering i know this to be true, i agree!
i think people usually see scumslips as binary and if you don't that may be where the disconnect is
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2022 7:48 am
by MUSHSHAGANA
LOL I can always be wrong, I thought I brought my light bar with me to the new place when I moved on the 1st and I didn't, I thought I got garbage bags on my trip the store today and didn't, I thought I caffeinated and hadn't, I forget my meds every damn day while swearing up and down I haven't missed a dose in days, if it relies on me being right abt something it's a fuckin crapshoot
In post 520, Arcade Pals wrote:Roden, why do you think Greeting is the best vote for today?
I hate the RVS analysis posts. They made my eyes glaze over and it just read as information-over-analysis to me. It's typically a town tell to me, but there's a thin line between actually town telling and just LAMIST serious analysis posts.
Additionally, I don't think Greeting and LLD are aligned, and since I town read LLD I have to give Greeting the boot.
So, I took the time to analyse two players who were under suspicion at the moment and tried to understand the arguments against them and that's bad?
Half of the votes this game have either been not explained at all, or were given three lines of text at most. At least that's my impression. Sorry for wanting to make a more informed choice as to whom I'm voting out.
I also think that
Lady Lambdadelta
is town but I don't see a shred of an explanation why her being town makes me scum.
Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2022 8:46 am
by Greeting
In post 473, Ircher wrote:As promised, here are some examples of MUSH's fallacious logic.
In post 80, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:The content of your post reads EXACTLY in theme with a specific part of Control, but its a part that wouldn't be very likely to come up in a green role PM. If you hadn't fluffposted without thinking through the consequences of your actions you might have been fine, but instead you fluffposted in a way that gave the game away, precisely because you didn't know what you were talking about. Sorry bud
According to MUSH, Cephrir is scum for 57 because it isn't likely to have come from a town role pm. Let me point out some of the various ways this argument is fallacious:
1: It presupposes that Cephrir is familiar with the source material. This is evidently false because in 57, Cephrir explicitly states he is not familiar with the source material. You may argue that it's scum indicative regardless, but there's nothing preventing someone with a town alignment who is unfamiliar with the source material from making the exact same post. While it may be true perhaps that a scum role pm may make such a post more likely (I wouldn't know as I don't know the source material), it is at best a marginal difference.
2: It also presupposes that Cephrir's role is directly related to the post at hand and that Cephrir pulled material from his role pm to make that post. There is no evidence in favor of this assumption; in fact, later posts highly suggest this is not the case as Cephrir denied MUSH's guess in 123.
The following two go together.
In post 106, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Ircher why do you think I'm making any claims about Cephrir specifically and not a general statement about anyone in the circumstances Cephrir finds himself in
In post 111, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Ceph and I have never played together, there is no meta being used here
I guess you're still scum. Great job bolstering my early hypothesis
MUSH's argument here is that I am scum at least in part because I misinterpreted one of MUSH's earlier posts as being a specific observation about Cephrir rather than a general observation. For reference, the post I misinterpreted was 63:
In post 63, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Look if you didn't want to get burned down early then you should've used your noggin before you fluffposted, now its too late and that's your problem not mine
I would like to point out that if you are reading chronologically (and thus haven't seen the elaboration in 80, then it is very easy to interpret this post as MUSH scum reading fluffposting in general. My assumption was since that in the general case, that does not equate scum, there must have been something specific between MUSH and Cephrir that led to Cephrir's post being scummy in MUSH's eyes. 70 does not contradict my initial assumption; in fact, it reinforced it. Finally, there was also Lady Lambdadelta's take in 71, and her take is in fact a meta read. These factors combined, my original assumption, while incorrect, was reasonable. The issue here is that MUSH is trying to twist this around and paint it as scum!me protecting scum!Cephrir. MUSH is completely ignoring the "how would town come to this assumption" and instead jumps straight to the conclusion that reinforces MUSH's own preexisting bias. The argument that I am scum for making an incorrect assumption is fallacious because it completely ignores all the other equally plausible scenario and instead picks the one that fits in the most with MUSH's narrative.
Thanks for responding.
I've also read into the whole
Cephrir
thing and I think it's missing the information on what kind of insider information did they reveal. So maybe it's not fallacious reasoning
per se
, but definitely lacking some explanation that should have been there.
And also, there is the issue of how that wagon was suddenly dropped in favour of voting out you.
I agree with what has been said in the second part of your post and that's also part of my objection with regard to
MUSHSHAGANA
's slot too. Thing is, there's a lot of strong voices in defense of this slot which involves that player's meta and it's made me more hesitant to go with that too. Which is why I dropped it.
I think this post is good enough for me to not want to vote out
In post 498, mastina wrote:Lady Lambdadelta
The Three Bears (Titus, Flea the Magician, Noraa)
Bell
Save The Dragons
NorwegianboyEE
Tet
Roden
tictac
Malakittens
