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Also, I just went back and looked at our post game conversation, and I am actually less sure why you were left thinking that I think so poorly of myself - out of the moment.

Like, sure. In the moment, I looked like someone who thinks I am the worst player ever



But then like a day later I came back with a level head
Subject: Open 840 - Guardians of the Fortress Spectator/Dead PT

Lukewarm wrote:But that you. I did beat myself up a bit right when I voted. But given a moment, I am happy with my play.

I feel like I did very good all game, my strategies basically all played out exactly how I intended them to. I was possibly the most town read player in the game.

But there were things outside my control that just pushed me into a position where Ari was close to checkmating me. The two of us were in a fairly intense chess match at the end that I don't think anyone else was aware of lol

And it feels like you are saying "The Luke I saw who was kinda freaked out the moment he lost would never say that he should go in the 6 man hood"

And I don't get why you don't see that when I am talking with a more level head, I am not so down on my play. Hell, even in that game I DID put myself into the hardest game of the three.

Anyways, if this doesn't sway you, I guess it doesn't sway you - and today is my birhtday, so I am probably not gonna be on any more today. Wake up in the morning to see if I am in the dead thread I guess lol

I hope you have a good birthday, but I don't think it's an accident that you are talking essentially only to me here.

I do not think that post is a diamond where you are ready to 1v5. I also do not think notscience would be ready to 1v5. I think both of you go to the group of 3 and do all the damage you can.

If you feel that this should have been minor or negligible, then okay, but I do not feel that way and I did not find notscience's posts last night plausible either.

Rereading through MELO, notscience explicitly acknowledges that hardshoving and intentional space are two dichotomies of mine I frequently utilize as town.

Someone just put the horse down before someone claims flailing makes them town and makes Lukewarm sit here all day.

I was talking directly to you because you are the one who was leading the charge (basically everyon else appeared to just vote and say "yeah, I guess" to the things that you said), I have been thinking you were town, and you seemed like you at least think you are good at reading me.

In post 230, Prism wrote:Todoroki in particular has two different players that are generally easy to read

In post 231, Prism wrote:Todoroki is null for now. I am confident I still have, for the moment, Todoroki's number, and it is more of a matter of time for when I catch them than a question of if. There was one game I struggled to see notscience as town but even spectating I have always found it trivial.

Plus, you the person I have the most experience with here other then Notty. So, yeah. You're the person I have been talking to.

But you don't even appear to be considering that we could be town.

I considered whether or not you were town for hours and intentionally slept on it before revisiting. If I'm wrong, then OK, I have been wrong before and will be again, but I don't think I am and I am absolutely at this point determined to see you through.

Okay, actually getting ready to leave to go to my sisters. I am just kind of assuming that I will be dead by the time I get back to the game.

So final notes before the sweet song plays:

Dunn - Dunn has absolutely ghosted this game, which does make me want to call Dunn town... But, I have actively had a conversation with Dunn about this trend (I made a whole ass dunn spread sheet tracking his day 1 activity vs his alignment, across a LOT of games. Was VERY accurate (like 90% accuracy) pretty sure that being scum gets Dunn invested in games. So I WANT to call him town, but since I actively told him about this table, it feels like he might do it on purpose at some point. This is a paranoia thought, but this is the only reason I am not actually town binning him right now.

Puppy - I will eat my hat if they flip scum. Probably never kill them.

StD - Notty was town reading StD based off the of the comments about his activity in the large hood, feels like a weird way to read him, so I just ignored that. but his unvote on us just now seems town motivated. No reason to unvote there as scum - this wagon was in no way tied to him.

Prism - I am retracting my town read on her. Almost like a BoP thig really. Probably should never make it to Elo.

Everything else feels like it was pretty well covered before.

In post 530, Lukewarm wrote:Okay, actually getting ready to leave to go to my sisters. I am just kind of assuming that I will be dead by the time I get back to the game.

So final notes before the sweet song plays:

Dunn - Dunn has absolutely ghosted this game, which does make me want to call Dunn town... But, I have actively had a conversation with Dunn about this trend (I made a whole ass dunn spread sheet tracking his day 1 activity vs his alignment, across a LOT of games. Was VERY accurate (like 90% accuracy) pretty sure that being scum gets Dunn invested in games. So I WANT to call him town, but since I actively told him about this table, it feels like he might do it on purpose at some point. This is a paranoia thought, but this is the only reason I am not actually town binning him right now.

Puppy - I will eat my hat if they flip scum. Probably never kill them.

StD - Notty was town reading StD based off the of the comments about his activity in the large hood, feels like a weird way to read him, so I just ignored that. but his unvote on us just now seems town motivated. No reason to unvote there as scum - this wagon was in no way tied to him.

Prism - I am retracting my town read on her. Almost like a BoP thig really. Probably should never make it to Elo.

Everything else feels like it was pretty well covered before.

And I had been doing so well :/

...And in the other 2 in your group?

MC scum, iv town. Already kinda went over them.

That last post was just things that had changed (std, you) and Dunn who I had not really explained before. Puppy is probably the odd one out, but my town read there is just that strong I guess lol

Okay, thanks, will review if necessary.

notscience seemed to think Esther was obviously scum, but was still inclined to go hunt in the group of 6.

Which is miraculous since his only other reads seemed to be me for being hot/cold in my various attempts to get him to do something, and the name of dwlee drawn out of a random.org hat.

is that E1? can someone unvote? I will take a look at this later when I have time sorry work is crazy

Prism you should announce E1 if you’re going to do it, that is not a good look for you

Imagine if Esther is scum here and just lolhammers

imagine if todoroki is scum and i just lolhammer

1. It was already E-1 last night, which you acknowledged. I have already unvoted once. I have also made it clear that the next vote would be hammer, several times.
2. Esther lolhammering would be a very good trade, but they're also already voting there.

Can you be more explicit as to why you think Todoroki should not be the vote today?

The only argument I see to hold off is to let Dunnstral check in.

The above is kind of putting words into your mouth, but my point is that you're sitting here in the middle after being AFK for half the game and now want to cry foul when we're actually voting.

If you're busy, okay, but I have given more than enough and from my perspective you're either scum flopping in preparation for tomorrow or are just getting in the way for zero reason.

IVs been townreading me though? I already showed y’all what actual flopping looks like, but what do I know I’m scum amirite

In post 496, innocentvillager wrote:

In post 478, Todoroki wrote:Like, you could say I'm hedging by not voting you too which is a totally fair point to make! Or that I'm not really pushing IV (which should frankly hint that I'm town, IV knows scum-me LOVED the chance to get in his head and twist him in circles), and instead letting him do his own thing and think about what he's posted.

okay imma be honest i was sort of gonna keep it private but there's no point anymore

this is prolly like the main argument for me townleaning you / ur not really here or trying to pocket me or anything like that

i remember when we were hydraing together u wanted to go HARD in that familiar plist if we were scum and Bulge straight TRd you for not doing that, lmao. My guess is you two would've gone harder had you rolled scum.

i weakly feel worse because you've mentioned this yourself but i still think you would've forced more thread presence as scum/i believe Luke to an extent when he says he would've pushed you to post more as well

I don't think this is necessarily wrong, but I don't this game has worked out how either envisioned as scum, between both being busy and me immediately going for the throat. notscience is remarkably inconsistent and even in a world where he knows what is expected or desired he struggles to deliver on it.

I don't really think Todoroki's interactions with you have been very indicative either, sorry, especially when they frame it in a way that is arguing they're town in light of it.

I’m more inconsistent than normal lately because I’m busy which is a fair statement but also doesn’t make me scum

Cool. I think the read on me is dogshit and I'm willing to call you on it.

I also think Lukewarm's recent progression is, but the first pass was at least right and the conversation that seems to be happening on me outside of thread appears to be basically zero, each trying to get me to doubt the read on the singular head and instead faceplanting completely.

I'm going to save the criticism for postgame, there's no point to this. If I get egg on my face I get egg on my face.

As always, voices other than my own and my ego would probably be a good change of tune.

In post 541, Prism wrote:The above is kind of putting words into your mouth, but my point is that you're sitting here in the middle after being AFK for half the game and now want to cry foul when we're actually voting.

If you're busy, okay, but I have given more than enough and from my perspective you're either scum flopping in preparation for tomorrow or are just getting in the way for zero reason.

why are u calling me scum while voteparking the other person in my hood?