↑Bulbazak wrote:Yeah, and it's crap, because it's looking at the wrong stuff. For instance, why would Vezok think TTH is scum for detecting obv. townread DV when Vezok spent his guaranteed sign detect on obv. town Tammy? One of those things is not like the other...
Why are you saying my read is crap based on information that I did not have? When I made that read I did not know that he had Detected Tammy. It is that type of poor play making that should have prevented Vezok from ever getting that boon, but c'est la vie.
I would think Detecting Obvtown reads is in preparation to kill them at night.
↑vezokpiraka wrote:@Titus: MS wants to asks you what do you think of bulba's VCA.
Hey, why is MS not talking to me, or heck, even mentioning me? This is the second time we've even heard about MS in the entire game. I have a hard time believing that your slot is town and that MS has not seen town-me and told you to reach out, because that is totally something I would have expected from MS-town by now.
He is sure you are scun and wants you dead.
Lynching scum and not posting immense walls of nothing to boast your ego.
So you've not been reading any of my posts. That's nice to know.
The misrep is so big I'm starting to think you don't know how to understand what you read
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@Bulba...re: votecount...it was a little bit of the formatting, but then I guess I'm also not good at votecounts so I reread it again. Basically none of us understood where you were substantiating your theories from. You basically gave two people a free pass because you were townreading them, instead of acknowledging that when using an objective device such as VCA, you can't really do that. We don't have a whole lot to work with because we don't have a scum flip (something I can agree with Titus that we need), in which case your VCA isn't very objective, in which case it's not really convincing.
Knowing that it's not really substantial without a scum flip and the fact that it was actually only based off of one flipped town and that you included your unflipped self, it looks like busy-work disguised as scumhunting because none of it are the kind of facts that make VCAs in any way helpful.
↑Gammagooey wrote:
The only person I think I've actually insulted here was probably shadoweh who decided to stop in, comment on why you shouldn't be lynched based on shit that has nothing to do with your alignment, and has since dissappeared into nothingness again, but I've certainly been a dick to a decent amount of people today.
Hey. I replied to you right away you know. I think being the confirmed town role has a lot to do with someone's alignment, in my ever so humble opinion. Your continued screaming that he must be scum doesn't convince me any more then singer's continued screaming about Titus. Lynching him is a bad play and you would realize that if you weren't being so headstrong about the impossibility of being wrong.
I also think letting himself be baned and acting like it doesn't matter actually points towards him being Alquin. It's a really good fake-VT claim.
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@Shadoweh, that's interesting. I had forgotten UT had volunteered to be baned. It doesn't fit with the game state I had seen. Why would scum volunteer to be baned? That is unless UT was indeed the obvious and only bane choice. I'll unvote and review tomorrow.
The vote count has remained pretty stagnant for a large part of this day. I find that amazing. We should lynch someone soon so that we can talk about the second lynch and not do a repeat of Day 1. That would be awesome.
I vote that we don't lynch UT. No one has counterclaimed, it honestly is not worth the risk.
↑Oversoul wrote:Why is it so hard to make people give a shit about this game.
Because the people caring the most are the ones fighting with each other and ignoring the ones that don't. The best way to float in this game is to do nothing at all while town tears itself apart. Even UT imo is engaging people more then certain fish that will remain foxless.
Formerfish: I don't really feel like feeding you reads when the problem I've had with your slot as a team thing is that it has nothing but fluff. Did Marquis not leave you any reads in your Team's PT? Was he too busy talking in the scum PT and ignoring talking about his game because there's nothing to talk about? You're screaming that you have nothing but the person who was in your slot is someone who's thoughts you should actually have access to and I find it extremely concerning that you replaced in like this was a non-team game in which no one left you anything.
I am not asking to be fed reads, as I'm not expecting you to say something like "I think X is scum, what do you think?" What I was looking for, and clearly no one gives a fuck about, is to ask questions about how I feel about X or Ys plays. Don't worry though, I won't ask again.
Marquis posted a lot about other peoples games, and how he felt he was playing badly himself and was looking for replacement. The only reads he had in our teams PT was a scum read on Empire slot, so singer now, and a scum read on Anti (now TTH) due to the replace out.
↑Oversoul wrote:You could have voted someone. Good luck with life DV!
↑Oversoul wrote:His vote could still be applying pressure while looking for a replacement. Would at least help move the game state forward.
This line of thinking is very odd to me. I feel like most people would find it scummy to vote and then peace out. That would be the ultimate vote parking, but that is exactly what you are advocating for here.
↑singersigner wrote:I really liked Shadoweh's 5054 about FF and feeling like he shouldn't still be working with nothing this game. His last two posts were complaining that no one was engaging him or helping him out, when he should've had a slew of resources at his fingertips.
Speaking as another replacement
, it seems really under-the-radar. Even with a townread on Marquis, I can't really reconcile not being able to contribute at this point. Titus making excuses for him and deconstructing the pressure on him as "I'm not going to call taking care of family scummy" when that is not what the pressure is about at ALL, or even what people are remotely calling scummy, is terribad. Of note, this also isn't the first time she's turned a push on something/someone into something it wasn't to make it look worse!
I don't give a fuck about what your team needed to do to help your slot in this game. My team isn't your team, and maybe there is a much simpler reason why you have so much help.
↑Cheetory6 wrote:Hey UT.
Can you start taking the game seriously so I can actually get a read on you?
Because like, jesus I'm feeling really tempted to sheep this wagon on you because of how garbage you're being at engaging literally anything in this game and if it weren't for the odds being so high that there are tryhard-as-fuck scum directing the game right now, I would be getting on board as well. [and I mean the fact that I don't want to be on another wagon without actually agreeing with it from here on out because holy fuck the VCAheads are probably just licking their chops at the idea of a UT townflip as an excuse to devour me whole]
So please, talk about why you think Gamma is apparently scummy. Or like, literally anything reads-wise.
Or replace out. Either would be appreciated.
Gamma wrote:I don't fuck around with false confidence bullshit like tons of people will with every read they push
Okay.
Tell me what is potentially different between here and with elusive in DoA then? How absolutely confident are you that UT isn't just being a shitter as town?
JUST VOTE HIM
You and Singer are trying to do everything you can not to vote UT
I like this call out. Its like when you are hanging out with some of your friends and there is a guy and girl in your group that are all flirty and playful with each other, but claim that they are just friends, but then it gets to the point where you are just like "
If I am reading the role pm correctly I am seeing 1. That if you are Alquin, you are dead tonight because scum knows your sign, and you can not be protected, so thats fucking great, 2. By dying you are going to allow scum to target as many players as they would like to try to kill. Both of these are seriously anti-town outcomes and I have no clue why you would claim at this point since you were at l-5, by that logic I guess I should wait for one more shitty vote on me for pressure to role claim and offer myself up to the gods of nks.
as much as UT is fucking obvscum it is still better to leave him alive and just lynch two other people than have alquin counterclaim here, he's even said it himself his ridiculous fucking "you must be scum because you're counterclaiming alquin because you wouldn't counterclaim alquin as town" utter horseshit.
I agree with this wholeheartedly. Claiming early is just causing us to fight with each other and cast doubt on anyone who was pushing UT before, look at the comment he made about scum hunting off his wagon.
↑Gammagooey wrote:
if you think not only his play but how he claimed it is more likely to be coming from town than scum then I legitimately don't know how the fuck you've endured enough games to still be on this site.
And if you DON'T think it's more likely coming from town than scum but are unwilling to vote him because of the little pings against it, then go back to losing to godfathers and innocent tracker results on scum and shrugging about how you played the odds correctly afterwards so clearly you couldn't have done better than that.
Mostly through cigarettes and chocolate cake, I think. ^_^
What I think is odd is how UT is the only 'terrible lurking dood' whose actually getting shit for it
, and I think it's because he's the only one here engaging people back when they talk about him. It's ironic because the thing that should make him obviously the wrong lurker target is the reason he's getting voted, people like you like having an active person to fight with.
How is UT the only person getting shit for being a lurker when my wagon exists solely for the fact that I have been inactive? And you are one of the people who have commented on it too.
↑Untrod Tripod wrote:let's not all lose sight of the fact that there are people in this game trying to lynch the claimed Alquin, therefore taking the lock off the scum kills, rather than waiting to see if the scum take him out tonight, which they absolutely should if they're not retarded, because I'm immune to protection
there's no goddamn way scum claims this, and the Oversoul counterclaim clearly came from a place of not thinking about optimal scum strategy too hard because there isn't a world where it's not more efficient to kill me tonight
unless you're trying to play around a watcher, but it's STILL smarter to just shut up and kill me because you're getting yourself killed a day sooner by counterclaiming
Scum definitely claims the Queen of the game, hoping for an actual CC. The real Alquin wouldn't CC per optimal town play, non-Alquin town might certainly fake CC you (assuming yours was real) in an attempt to keep you from being the nk. Not killing you tonight would surely cause a shit fit of wifom tomorrow, so there is a reason why scum would keep you alive.
UT played like he wasn't worried about being lynched. Do you see that coming from scum, or Alquin?
I would think that being the town trump card would drive someone to never be the lynch target as they wouldn't want to get into a position where they would have to claim.
Empire was scum in the vanilla nightless and was really upset because of it and switched with zar who hated the setup in vanilla nightless. I'm pretty sure there is absolutely no chance that Empire moved from a scum slot to another scum slot.
I got no problem eating crow if I am wrong. Given I am townreading everyone on this wagon independant of theory (which says they are town), I doubt I will be. Little risk. High reward.
Well I have a problem with lynching important town roles. If you don't, maybe you're scum.
Seriously. Is it new meta to lynch townies and hope for the best? Do you think scum are going to kill themselves?
I really can't decide if you are town or scum and the things you say only sound dumb.
Are you seriously unable to see why the way UT is acting could be coming from scum? I mean jesus fucking christ. I don't have to much experience playing with you, but I stand by what I said in the unusual game about being glad that I didn't have to play with you.
Gamma wrote:I don't fuck around with false confidence bullshit like tons of people will with every read they push
Okay.
Tell me what is potentially different between here and with elusive in DoA then? How absolutely confident are you that UT isn't just being a shitter as town?
This feels off that you would ring that bell because this is nothing like elusive from DoA.
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