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Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 9:02 am
by inspectorscout
Probably
But in case he doesn't, we are a T-T pair
Smith-pie has a VERY little chance to be T-T
Ergo
They go first.
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 9:05 am
by Dunnstral
Except, you know, if you're scum
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 9:09 am
by inspectorscout
You know,
I'm not. I'm not going to dig in selfmeta and make a towncase on myself because thats just ugly, and I'm not attempting at convincing you because i feel the same way about you.
I told you shoulda dated me
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 9:13 am
by Dunnstral
You partnered before I arrived
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 9:15 am
by inspectorscout
I dont think so
Just a sec
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 9:17 am
by inspectorscout
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 9:19 am
by Dunnstral
In post 259, inspectorscout wrote:Ser Arthur Dayne, I accept your request. Let's begin our danse macabre until our undying love is seperated by scarlet blood.
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 9:24 am
by inspectorscout
Oh.
Okay.
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 9:26 am
by Dunnstral
Wouldn't want to pair with someone so easy anyway.
Or, you know, mafia
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 9:29 am
by inspectorscout
I'dpair with mafia
You
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 1:54 pm
by Kagami
I still think it's just smith-jester, and don't see any terribly compelling reason to believe otherwise (and even less to believe that piesmith isn't the correct lynch). If smith is town, I'd be inclined to say jester pair is town, so I'm not averse to leaving.
Smith opportunistically attacking the team-call yesterday makes me think I'm not wrong though.
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 2:40 pm
by Dunnstral
You should talk with me when you've got time
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 3:11 pm
by Ser Arthur Dayne
If mhsmith/Pie in the very off-chance both flip town, I will heavily consider leaving dance because it would feel like inspector was trying to sway me that way instead of Parama in the PT.
However, individually, inspector still feels genuine and town-thinking things through, and Dunn's read on him right now feels awful (which feels like he's playing both cards btw, like he's just pushing my lynch and whenever convenient calls me or inspector scum, that's actually the thing that's most worrying me in his push - not the fact that he's pushing me, I'm liking that because I don't think scum would be stupid enough to push me now after Parama failure instead of later, but just the fact that his push feels ~so~ off-handed).
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 3:17 pm
by Ser Arthur Dayne
Does Dunn even have a solid evidence for his inspector read?
Explain your scumread, and not through hypotheticals, but through his indiviual play and/or interactions with Parama. Because otherwise your push on him looks like an attempt to stir up paranoia in both me and the town, to create stupid unnecessary hecticness.
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 3:29 pm
by Ser Arthur Dayne
I'm seriously considering blacklisting you.
If you win and are scum and it turns out this strategy of yours was intentional I will be blacklisting you and hope no mod ever makes the mistake of taking you into their game again.
If we lose I will place sole blame on you, I hope you know I'm way past the point of being humble. You are literally dragging the game down
But not having a lot of time to contribute is fine. Being "loyal" to the game or whatever and deciding to stick with it is fine. Being Christmas week is fine. Lack of scumhunting and being utterly useless is fine. You know what truly makes me angry about you? The fact, after knowing all this and knowing you're dragging your team down (no matter the team on actually), you still have the guts to solely contribute with sarcastic comments to avoid being force replaced and prod dodge.
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 5:10 pm
by pieguyn
In post 5262, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:If mhsmith/Pie in the very off-chance both flip town, I will heavily consider leaving dance because it would feel like inspector was trying to sway me that way instead of Parama in the PT.
However, individually, inspector still feels genuine and town-thinking things through, and Dunn's read on him right now feels awful (which feels like he's playing both cards btw, like he's just pushing my lynch and whenever convenient calls me or inspector scum, that's actually the thing that's most worrying me in his push - not the fact that he's pushing me, I'm liking that because I don't think scum would be stupid enough to push me now after Parama failure instead of later, but just the fact that his push feels ~so~ off-handed).
do not do this. if our pair is town, then your pair is town/town and it is Jester and Dunn. don't pay too much attention to how bad scout's read on us was, it isn't malicious - Dunn's read on you two is, on the other hand, malicious.
Kagami-san, make sure you don't miss
5200, please.
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 5:12 pm
by pieguyn
In post 5260, Kagami wrote:If smith is town, I'd be inclined to say jester pair is town, so I'm not averse to leaving.
wait hang on, I missed this.
why do you think SAD/Dunn is more likely than Jester/Dunn?
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 5:14 pm
by mhsmith0
^5264 is a flagrant town post by SAD. Still not sure about scout, but unless there's evidence SAD is a VERY good actor that just looks town.
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 5:15 pm
by mhsmith0
In post 5260, Kagami wrote:I still think it's just smith-jester, and don't see any terribly compelling reason to believe otherwise (and even less to believe that piesmith isn't the correct lynch). If smith is town, I'd be inclined to say jester pair is town, so I'm not averse to leaving.
Smith opportunistically attacking the team-call yesterday
makes me think I'm not wrong though.
Could you clarify this? What about my posts on the team-call was opportunistic?
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 5:16 pm
by pieguyn
if Dunn is scum and he's scum with SAD, he had no reason to bus yesterday in my opinion; it would have been so ridiculously easy for him to just wagon Jester with all of us and then mhsmith/me would be just about as easy of a lynch in MYLO afterward.
if Dunn is scum and he's scum with Jester, on the other hand, it makes sense, and I've been going on all game day about why I think this is the case and why his unusual reads on my pair and SAD's pair read like he's attempting to generate paranoia and set up chain lynches to get SAD's pair lynched in endgame post-Parama lynch.
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 5:18 pm
by mhsmith0
Clarify this? You/pie is something I've been mulling over, and it's seems realistic on a conceptual basis, with you bussing pie for town credit to coast to endgame, with pie maybe sinking Dunn/kagami before bowing out. What exactly disqualifies this pairing in particular (I'd think you can't be arguing "because I'm town" here since it seems like this pairing in particular is what bugs you as an idea).
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 5:22 pm
by mhsmith0
Scout, what drove this reaction to HS leaving? I get that you were pushing for me/pie, but that seems like an overreaction to something HS had been saying she'd do most of the day, all the more so since you weren't really pushing HS NOT to want parama dead, just instead pushing on the me/pie option.
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 5:32 pm
by mhsmith0
In post 2312, pieguyn wrote:for the record, the only reason I'm on The_Jester and not mhsmith0 is that I'd like a chance to be able to discuss reads with Kagami with a scum flip on the table (and Nahdia if they're still alive).
if we lynch The_Jester (likely regardless of what he flips), or if we get a scum flip somewhere else, or if Kagami decides to ditch me and go ahead and vote us, then I likely will self vote (and SAD is correct that this approach kills me if I'm scum, since once one of these things happens I really have no option but to invent some reason to push someone else and I look like obvscum).
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 9:08 pm
by inspectorscout
In post 5270, mhsmith0 wrote:
Clarify this? You/pie is something I've been mulling over, and it's seems realistic on a conceptual basis, with you bussing pie for town credit to coast to endgame, with pie maybe sinking Dunn/kagami before bowing out. What exactly disqualifies this pairing in particular (I'd think you can't be arguing "because I'm town" here since it seems like this pairing in particular is what bugs you as an idea).
I am not indulging in self-town casing, but why would I hard-bus you/her nearly all game long? Okay, I haven't wanted her dead whole game, but I have wanted you dead nearly all game which is kind of the same thing.
Do you believe that's something I would do?
In post 5271, mhsmith0 wrote:
Scout, what drove this reaction to HS leaving? I get that you were pushing for me/pie, but that seems like an overreaction to something HS had been saying she'd do most of the day, all the more so since you weren't really pushing HS NOT to want parama dead, just instead pushing on the me/pie option.
She cut off discussion and made me unable to lynch you that day.
I'm happy she did it, but I don't like the moment she did it.
Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 9:23 pm
by mhsmith0
I don't know for sure what you're capable of, especially given day chat and the ability to bounce ideas off of teammates. "Bussing", in the context of my wagon not being at particular risk of going through for at least MOST of the day on d1 (it flared up for a while, but was generally not the leading wagon), seems reasonable enough as a strategy. How much bussing occurs varies, but a mountainous format like this probably suggests that SOME bussing is optimal, and it's just a question of when and how. But if the strategy is to set you/SAD up as the end game pair, then why not? The question isn't so much if you would do it, but how capable of pulling it off you are. Because as a concept, I don't see the issue.
Wrt HS, if you were that opposed to parama death, why weren't you defending her directly? You'd known for a while HS was likely to suicide (since she'd been very clear on the subject) but you weren't interested in talking her out of it and pushing a town!parama case. So in that context, especially since it wasn't LYLO, what was the problem with what she did? Why represent an anger response when you hadn't represented an interest in parama being town and being worth keeping alive (other than indirectly via having other priorities)?