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Post Post #5250 (ISO) » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:39 am

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if this flips NOT roleblocker*
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Post Post #5251 (ISO) » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:40 am

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In post 5249, RadiantCowbells wrote:but yeah, ausuka never targets us if this flips roleblocker. ofrhz or mastina.
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Post Post #5252 (ISO) » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:40 am

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if it flips not roleblocker.
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Post Post #5253 (ISO) » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:44 am

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I'd say that you're probably the best target if this flips non roleblocker, actually.

Ausuka-scum then has the choice of commit to roleblocker existence, soft implying you as town, or commit to a result on you, meaning she can't win via more mislynches than scum candidates.
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Post Post #5254 (ISO) » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:47 am

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actually this is autowin, no? we have 3 clears

if pine flips roleblocker, then we're guaranteed either a clear from ausuka or a 1v1 between PP and the player who nightkilled them
if pine flips notroleblocker, then we don't get results but our role is already confirmed and ofrhz's is also confirmable
I'd say that you're probably the best target if this flips non roleblocker, actually.

Ausuka-scum then has the choice of commit to roleblocker existence, soft implying you as town, or commit to a result on you, meaning she can't win via more mislynches than scum candidates.
either roleblocker is confirmed to exist or we're not targetable for some reason with the role that we have.
if we're not targetable, targeting us is demonstrably suboptimal. if roleblocker exists, we're cleared.

and if there isn't a roleblocker and we survived D1 through untargetability of some form then it's still autowin from here on out.
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Post Post #5255 (ISO) » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:49 am

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like they still technically have to kill and roleblock in [PP/Ausuka] assuming untargetability so we end up with a clear pool of 5 or confscum ofrhz either way
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Post Post #5256 (ISO) » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:49 am

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assuming multitasking*

and if no multitasking it's just gg
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Post Post #5257 (ISO) » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:49 am

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the game's just over
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Post Post #5258 (ISO) » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:53 am

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unless pine's role is legit AND he's tied himself to one of [ausuka/PP]

but I think it's more likely that he's tied to Jingle which doesn't mechanically hurt anything I don't think as long as we kill mastina first
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Post Post #5259 (ISO) » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:57 am

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PP/Ausuka/You/Ofhrz/mastina are all potential scumspects assuming Pine scum flip.

mastina is unlikely to be scum, as is PP, but it's not impossible. So we keep playing as if we're not in autowin in case we're not in autowin.
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Post Post #5260 (ISO) » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:58 am

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if pine's role is legit then I'd be willing to bet the game on both PRs being town btw, roleblocker + essentially an extra nightkill + being a part of the IC hood is insanely strong
and we know he can't have acted twice based on PP's result so it's at most one extra nightkill so as long as we lynch mastina it's game over
PP/Ausuka/You/Ofhrz/mastina are all potential scumspects assuming Pine scum flip.

mastina is unlikely to be scum, as is PP, but it's not impossible. So we keep playing as if we're not in autowin in case we're not in autowin.
we're confirmed not roleblocker and assuming that pine isn't roleblocker the last slot is confirmed to be roleblocker.
in the word where there isn't a roleblocker, we're still protected from being targeting somehow and if we're scum we mechanically just lose.

the -only- way for town to lose this from here is to for scum to convince town that there's no roleblocker and that we survived due to some sort of immunity and the only way for that to be a feasible thing to push is by having us be the target.
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Post Post #5261 (ISO) » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:03 am

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In post 5260, RadiantCowbells wrote:we're confirmed not roleblocker
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Post Post #5262 (ISO) » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:03 am

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our role is confirmable?
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Post Post #5263 (ISO) » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:05 am

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The assumption being that no one can have a multipart role, which I'm not 100% fine with assuming but is probably true regardless.
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Post Post #5264 (ISO) » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:07 am

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I need to sit down and plot a map to victory for every potential scum slot.
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Post Post #5265 (ISO) » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:09 am

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In post 5263, Jingle wrote:The assumption being that no one can have a multipart role, which I'm not 100% fine with assuming but is probably true regardless.
there's already a scum flipped with only 100-person neighbour
if the scum roleblocker was a multipart role it would be paired with that.
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Post Post #5266 (ISO) » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:10 am

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Yeah, but PP/Ausuka/Me/Nom is stupid amounts of town power, so I'm being cautious.
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Post Post #5267 (ISO) » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:11 am

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i dunno

if pine flips some bizarre amalgamation of roles maybe we can be multitasking scum with a roleblock as well

but i think it's objectively far less likely that we're scum with our role than that mastina is hated roleblocker or that ofhrz role is just fake
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Post Post #5268 (ISO) » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:12 am

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95% of the time we're in the mini where we agreed Fumuki was scum and my paranoia was superfluous. The other 5% of the time is literally the only time that matters.
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Post Post #5269 (ISO) » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:12 am

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xyzzy was unable to balance the game for how powerful I was cuz I didn't queue for it
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Post Post #5270 (ISO) » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:14 am

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if pine flips exactly the role he said he is and nothing else i think that should mean our slot is treated as clear.
95% of the time we're in the mini where we agreed Fumuki was scum and my paranoia was superfluous. The other 5% of the time is literally the only time that matters.
find a way to play around me still being potential scum after a non-roleblocker flip that gives me mechanical autowin and you can do whatever you want.
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Post Post #5271 (ISO) » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:20 am

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winloss notwithstanding this is a high profile game and I would prefer to win it and not give my detractors further excuse to shit on me.
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Post Post #5272 (ISO) » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:27 am

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Who are your detractors?
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Post Post #5273 (ISO) » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:29 am

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me

i hate RC

he sux at mafia
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Post Post #5274 (ISO) » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:29 am

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In post 5273, Dannflor wrote:me

i hate RC

he sux at mafia
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