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In post 5248, the worst wrote:I like the tension and I like the challenge. I don't like insurmountable stress which is likely to end in me losing games of mafia.

pedit: I mean my m.o. would just be to remove you from the game asap because I think there's a fairly finite list of ways I can successfully play around you; either loltownbin or do our retro "I'll deal with you later!!! *waves fist*" manoeuvre. indeed the hot & cold & then sincerely trying to murder you is very far from the way I'm interested in playing scum around you.

well you couldn't really kill her on N1 because you didn't know if there would be a protective role in the game or if she was baiting a NK, it also makes you look bad if she dies.

N2 was when you went to kill her and you had to use MfD in order to not auto-hang on D3 for failing to protect her.

So I would say you took your earliest possible opportunity to eliminate skitter.

We've been playing on and off for like two years now, and have loads of games together, and have talked about how we play around each other extensively both in and out of games

The narrative you're presenting is exceedingly unlikey, sorry

ok but why do you think he would always stick to the same formula as scum?

Isn't that not only predictable but quite boring?

Cuz i'm scary as town and he'd want to try to play towards wincon

If i went all-in on him day1 (i didnt) he very likely ends up voted out, which isnt helpful

This convo isnt really going anywhere and wont be convincing me of anything

ok that's fine I'll go back to re-reading SS's ISO

was just excited to share my little epiphany

hoping to read in the scum PT if I was right about their motivations.

Lol at Raven saying I seem too confident in my reads meanwhile this^

well the difference Is I know for sure because Datisi had the chance to hammer me to end the game and he didn't and raven has been nonstop defending me and has no reason to and if she had been online earlier she would also have had the chance to hammer me to end the game if she were scum.

So from my POV I have 100% information essentially on who the scum team is.

That's not true at all from your PoV

like my level of confidence makes sense because if I was wrong - the game would already be over.

Your level of confidence doesn't really make sense at all.

I mean from my POV all I have to do is accept that your townread of Raven is right from your POV. That rules out tw/Raven, and you being scum is the only option left.

There is no reason for Raven to put the effort she has into this game defending me if she is scum. The Scum will win on the spot when I flip green today and I would expect Raven's activity level to be similar to you or TW.

If she is actually scum in this game I would be incredibly impressed with her level of discipline to put that much effort into a basically won game instead of just going along with the crowd and flipping pooky to take the easy win.

In post 5250, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 5248, the worst wrote:I like the tension and I like the challenge. I don't like insurmountable stress which is likely to end in me losing games of mafia.

pedit: I mean my m.o. would just be to remove you from the game asap because I think there's a fairly finite list of ways I can successfully play around you; either loltownbin or do our retro "I'll deal with you later!!! *waves fist*" manoeuvre. indeed the hot & cold & then sincerely trying to murder you is very far from the way I'm interested in playing scum around you.

well you couldn't really kill her on N1 because you didn't know if there would be a protective role in the game or if she was baiting a NK, it also makes you look bad if she dies.

N2 was when you went to kill her and you had to use MfD in order to not auto-hang on D3 for failing to protect her.

So I would say you took your earliest possible opportunity to eliminate skitter.

... which backs up that i would not let myself get into a situation like i let myself get into d1 given that i place a lot of reverence in skitter's ability to town it up and bury me?

this plist remains strong /without/ skitter but like i was already in a bad spot going into d2 just via fighting with skitter who had said she was a confirmable power role. if i had to decide between somewhat-worsening my bad situation but also removing the player who presented the largest threat to my wincon --- vs. ?already having a fairly rough time d2? AND ALSO keeping skitter alive.... it's literally a no brainer fmpov

i respect the way that you're trying to twist my words but this isn't an actual scum gameplan

so what you're saying is that scum!worst would never attack town!skitter on D1 because scum!worst is scared of town!skitter.

However the fact that you are still alive today even after doing that and town!skitter is now using the fact that you went after her on D1 to clear you as town shows that it was not suicidally dumb to attack her - and your gambit on D1 paid off since she now town-reads you for you making that play.

So your reasoning above is just WIFOM about whether scum!TW would make that play or not.

this entire tangent is literally obfuscating the fact it's ultimately ~very unlikely~ that scum!me approaches the game this way
is anything impossible? no
does that mean i can be assed intentionally breaking my own meta to go full tryhard mode shortly after returning from hiatus when scum!me would not have trusted himself to live past the d2 situation which he INTENTIONALLY PUT HIMSELF INTO anyway?? good god no

in this situation, i am just not the type of duck who puts the poison in his own gauntlet. my case is not wifom. your manipulative portrayal of my case is wifom. i am a
freshly opened bottle of shiraz wearing a duck costume. just because i look like wine, does not mean there is a 50% chance i am posioned.

this is not a hard concept to grasp. you are not in a situation where you can allow this to be acknowledged as the truth.

unlikely but not impossible.

Scum!duck attacking town!skitter on D1 is risky, but nowhere near as risky than scum!pooky requesting to be self-lynched on D2 after his claim fell apart and he's leading the VC.


If we compare what is more unlikely, I would say what I did is way more unlikely to come from a scum player than what you did.

anyway skitter already said she doesn't want to have this conversation so I don't think there's any reason to pursue it further.


I will not be pursuing you along the lines of whether you did this as town or not based on meta since Skitter has said that's not something she wants to discuss nor should it really be something that she uses to determine your alignment since it's based on years of play history.

i think we need to stop having this conversation, it's literally just going in circles atp

pedit: yeah i'm fine with that.

In post 186, the worst wrote:I would love to be scum with dkkoba. lol.

this was a funny post

i legit laughed

the more I think about this game.

the more I realize I would've enjoyed today much more from the dead thread than in here.

trying to get lynched on D2 was probably the best idea I had this game.

@TW can you explain why you didn't try to get me lynched on D2 ?


Like when I put myself into your shoes:


1) A Pooky Red Flip would've been very good for your standing as town because it means you are basically conf-town as only 1 TPR in the game is very unlikely.

2) If skitter is killed despite your protection on N2 - such as due to mafia strongman or roleblocker, you would still be in a decent position due to (1) instead of being lynch-bait

3) If you believe there are only 2 TPRs in the game, you being a green TPR means that Pooky must be lying and thus flip red - Pooky should've been more likely to be scum from your PoV


What was it about DSJ's play that made you decide to push him instead over Pooky? Like what was so overwhelmingly scummy about him that you felt it would be better to resolve his slot rather than your conflict with me?

In post 5108, skitter30 wrote:Burden of Prociency - you're apparently capable of leading two scum lynches so why haven't you (provably) found scum here yet?

I'm responding to this comment again because I just need to get this off my chest before I go to bed tonight.

I have moved heaven and earth this game to try to deliver this town the correct solve and the scum-lynches to win this game.

I have even offered to sacrifice myself as the lynch on D2 - the day before lylo in order to show you that my solve is coming from a pro-town player because I was worried you would not believe me otherwise.

I have put many multiples of effort into this game than the one in which I linked where I try-harded and got the town to lynch mafia.

Blaming me for not "provably finding scum" is incredibly unfair to me as a player because you haven't really given me a chance.

You want me to provably find scum? Listen to me and flip SS.

In post 5268, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:@TW can you explain why you didn't try to get me lynched on D2 ?

............. i would have taken either of you d2 and i was Disappointed to get a greenflip in {you,dsj}.....
ottomh i think he was a better elim at a gamestate level? he was both scummy and very hard to solve around; like i was not looking at anybody and going "ah they are not scum with dsj" except like.. datisi

like let's look at alternate universes

we elim scum!pooky in f7
enter f5-6 with town!dsj he is likely eliminated
we enter f3-4 and need to solve scum!pooky partners based off early associations and you're looking at dead {skitter, tw}

if you were town and we miselm'd you in f7 like
i don't know who the fuck the team is meant to be
but regardless of his alignment dsj being alive in this gamestate is a massive liability :/

In post 5268, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:1) A Pooky Red Flip would've been very good for your standing as town because it means you are basically conf-town as only 1 TPR in the game is very unlikely.

i did not expect to be alive in this phase and like... i considered that you could be fakeclaimining but literally did not make the connection that i should try to kill you because that would make me look good because i didn't think i'd need to be read in this phase........

In post 5268, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:2) If skitter is killed despite your protection on N2 - such as due to mafia strongman or roleblocker, you would still be in a decent position due to (1) instead of being lynch-bait

ok a stronmgman in a micro with a bodyguard is patently ridiculous and i realised that like 3 seconds after thinking of it
if there was a scum roleblocker why would they have let skitter's n.a. get through when they could have just had us tear into each other d2...
these aren't really universes i regarded as remotely likely

In post 5268, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:3) If you believe there are only 2 TPRs in the game, you being a green TPR means that Pooky must be lying and thus flip red - Pooky should've been more likely to be scum from your PoV

i have definitely been on this high horse before but it's clearly not sinking in

if given the choice between dayplaying mafia or setup speccing into oblivion i will choose mafia about 97% of the time. setup spec is and thinking about it too much is not only a really great way to lose well-designed games (poignantly schadd_ reviewed this game and is a glutton for punishing mod meta) but it also corrodes the integrity of the game v v quickly

so yes, i considered you might be fakeclaiming.
but no, i did not think you claiming bomb in this setup explicitly and necessarily made you absolutely scum fakeclaiming and once again no i did not really consider the value of flipping you to improve my own position going into a day phase i did not expect to be alive in

In post 5268, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:What was it about DSJ's play that made you decide to push him instead over Pooky? Like what was so overwhelmingly scummy about him that you felt it would be better to resolve his slot rather than your conflict with me?

i'm not going to like. retroactively incorrectly scumcase dsj. we were all there, i did not a make an unilateral decision to kill dsj and i still think my decision to end the day on dsj is completely fair.

what conflict with you

these questions are so warped i'm getting a headache answering them

look i don't spend a lot of time planning out how i'm going to approach games. i'm lowkey lazy and esp. atm i'm trying to focus more on the parts of this game i actually enjoy. more pertinently? in this game i both haven't really focused on optics and blatnatly did not think i needed to set myself up for anything today

you keep asking me to tread over the same ground in increasingly uncomfortably-worded ways
bluntly: you won't find falsehoods in what i'm doing, because it is sincere. i admire the way you keep trying, but i am exhausted and this is becoming tedious.