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Oh, re: the other -- I don't think I've wasted "another" night actions at all. I think I've had EXTREMELY bad luck with the stalks (in the sense that I doubled a lot, etc), but that is just God hating me. I *did* manage to hit scum a few times with it IIRC.

Not to mention the fucking FPT-rez thing (this last being confirmed via Noise-hearing patterns IIRC or something; it didn't make sense to me).

Iec wrote:I'm talking about xvart's observation about your claimed packrat proclivities.

And as I've replied to xvart, most nights I haven't even had a choice about my actions due to being assigned by the town as a whole. I don't know what you expect me to say beyond that.

You were never banned from using a rez kit and forced to hunt for moar itemz AFAIK.

Taking soilist as early as VP did, searching for items is pretty much wasting nights of actions.

I had one night where I took something I probably shouldn't have. Other than that, I've been assigned. I still find it slightly ridiculous that I had one less than optimal night and that's the scummiest thing you can find in this thread.

@Trilo - not really. My occult books were made useless by being assigned to rob so many graves when everyone else had low insanities. Also, I only searched for one piece of equipment after solist and then changed back to a rezz kit last night. I don't think that's wasting night actions by any stretch of the imagination. Game state changes and you need to have the right tools for the job.

You robbed one grave.

One grave, before you switched to Forensics.

and I was assigned stalks etc.

Please look closely at my night actions because I'm getting tired of going over this.

I had communed you and after that my books were essentially useless. What was I going to do?

I get that you were assigned to perform actions that racked up insanities, but I don't get how that explains switching from books you were assigned those actions.

Well, I had two insanities actually. one from robbing and one from communing you. As far as I recall, most people already had less than 2 insanities on night two and there was talk of having me rob more graves in the future, as per the town + cult grave robbing plan. If that plan had been followed, it made no sense for me to have books because I would always be an insanity leader. It made sense to get rid of them, but I should have switched back to a rezz kit there. That was my mistake.

I didn't say it was the scummiest thing you did in this thread. I said that you pretended that people were only complaining about a marginal aspect of your claimed actions and in doing so ignored other questionable aspects of your claimed actions. I commented on this scenario because it is a possible rhetorical technique designed to marginalize discussion of other problematic aspects of your claims.

- 11 (Triglav, , Feysal, nopointinactingup, , Benmage)
Benmage - 6 (, , manho, )
- 4 (, totallynotmafia, Trilobite,)

Bowser - 1 ()
- 1 (VP Baltar)
- 1 ()

Not Voting - 1 (Bowser)



- 13 (Trilobite, VP Baltar, Benmage, , , , , Iecerint, , )
- 5 (totallynotmafia, , nopointinactingup, Nicodemus)
- 4 (Triglav, Feysal, )
- 2 (,)

Not Voting (1) - ()



- 12 (, Trilobite, , , , , VP Baltar, Feysal, , SUICIDAL)
- 3 (Benmage, , )
Nicodemus - 2 ()
Benmage - 1 (totallynotmafia)
Feysal - 1 (nopointinactingup)
- 1 ()

Not Voting (4) - ( Iecerint, Nicodemus,Triglav, )



- 11 (, VP Baltar, , Benmage, , Nachomamma8, , Trilobite, Triglav, )
Nicodemus - 1 ()

Not Voting (8) - (, Feysal, Iecerint, , Nicodemus, , totallynotmafia, )



- 10 (, Feysal, , Trilobite, Benmage, , , Nachomamma8, , SUICIDAL)


Not Voting (8) - (Iecerint, , Nicodemus,, totallynotmafia, Triglav, VP Baltar)



- 9 (Trilobite, , Nachomamma8, Triglav, Benmage, , )
- 2 (totallynotmafia, Nicodemus)
totallynotmafia - 1

Not Voting (5) - (Feysal, Iecerint, , VP Baltar, )



- 8 (VP Baltar, Trilobite, , Iecerint, Triglav, , Nicodemus, Feysal)

Not Voting (14) - (, Benmage, , Nachomamma8, totallynotmafia, )



- 8 (Trilobite, Nicodemus, Iecerint,, totallynotmafia, VP Baltar, Feysal, )
Trilobite - 2 (Triglav, Benmage)

Not Voting (2) (, Nachomamma8)

So looking at these vote counts, we want to call TNM pretty much confirmed town. If you look at the lynches Kunk is never on a scum flip. Even when it came to the obv cult lynches, he doesn't bus even for weak towncred. At the end of day six he is voting TNM, we believe this makes TNM town.

With this info, we rework our POE list.

Ten players alive, three cult.

Benmage
Feysal
Iecerint
Nachomamma8
Nicodemus
totallynotmafia
Triglav
Trilobite
VP Baltar
xvart

Taking out the three townies (ourselves, xvart and TNM) leaves us with:

Benmage
Feysal
Iecerint
Nachomamma8
Nicodemus
Triglav
VP Baltar

Nico is prob town with his Seacore rezz, so we cross him off. Benmage might be driving us insane, but he is prob town. Cross him off. That leaves us with five players, three of which are cult.

Feysal
Iecerint
Nachomamma8
Triglav
VP Baltar

Feysal and Nacho are linked. The flip of one reflects on the other, plus we have a stalk on Feysal, we're not lynching him today. Especially with him claiming marked today, there is no way if he is town cult are gonna waste two kits to rezz him. Letting Feysal go into night also allows him to kill VP although I seriously doubt this will happen because he is cult.

This all means we take VP, Feysal and Nacho out of the lynch pool leaving:

Iecerint
Triglav

Out of these two we very much prefer a Trig lynch. He hasn't posted once today, we feel he is lurky scum. Also on ISO he also has an unexplained Babyspice vote and I remember him pushing Baby and being annoyed we weren't lynching her but never trying to convince anyone to actually do anything about it.

There is also the BS of him choosing to commune nopoint when he could have communed Baby (who by the way flipped with WAY more insanities than she claimed) He also made a big show about no one communing Feysal another probcult. It's all too convenient and smacks like posturing. We think it was all for show.

VP has made some bad choices with his night actions but there isn't anyone alive that hasn't done at least one stupid thing. Iec for example deciding not to kill Benmage and using tools on VP is pretty lame. Retro-respect review of our choice to rezz xvart, xvart and benamge's choices of suicidal and so on.

We still find VP somewhat scummy but there are scummier people around PLUS if Feysal is telling the truth, VP is dead tonight. So yeah.

Trig lynch please.

Sounds plausible.

I don't understand why it was scummy for him to commune NP, though. Interrogating the Feysal/Nacho dichotomy way back when (NP=Nacho) seems pretty sensible to me. Was BS put on a to-commune list or something?

Okay I'm until we get the internet at the new house. I'll still be able to get online every so often just only when I'm at Uni.

Still waiting for Triglav's claim before I say who I think we should lynch.

Ice not killing me a bad act..rofl..killing townies = good?

Zzzzz..yes there are 3 cult in 6. Trilo is not removed from that list.

My town list is

Me
Xvart
Nico
and I'm leaning most with believing TNM

Feysal or Trilo lynch is what I'm thinking for today.

Iecerint wrote:Sounds plausible.

I don't understand why it was scummy for him to commune NP, though. Interrogating the Feysal/Nacho dichotomy way back when (NP=Nacho) seems pretty sensible to me. Was BS put on a to-commune list or something?

It doesn't really jibe with all the unexplained Baby Spice hate that came from him the day before though.

What I was trying to say before is that VV's death confirms that he was telling the truth about rezzing Seacore and Seacore not dying. Meaning that there is absolute, 100%, GUARANTEED SCUM in {Trilo, VPB}. And since Trilo has a stalk on someone with marked, there's really no reason to lynch him since we'll see whether he's town or not based on night results.

idk, BS was pretty scummy even really early on. People yelling at her was kinda par for the course. But OK.

@ Nacho -- work through it step-by-step. I am a huge dummy.

>.>. In going back through everything, I realized that I missed the Greater Ritual possibility... But here is why it's highly likely there's scum in Trilo/VP anyways:

From the "Rob Grave" action description:

Special Effects: If you are a Murderer and target the victim of a successful Murder action, you will learn who killed them.

If you are a Cultist and are the only person to target the Dead player, you may elect to take Corpse Dust.

The Cultists cannot have more than one lot of Corpse Dust at any one time, and it is available to them as a group.

In other words, it would take two cultists robbing the same grave in order to get Corpse Dust.

The effect of Corpse Dust is explained here:

f the Cultists use Corpse Dust, the Ritual counts as an extra kill for the purposes of Resuscitate, and the Corpse Dust is consumed. These two effects are cumulative.

Here are all graverobs:

VV wrote:N6- Plum robbed by Ben

N4 -El G: Benmage, Plum
Furclow: Xvart, Plum
Wickedstjr: VPB, AV
SpyreX: Benmage, AV

N3-Furpants: Spyrex, Trilobite
El_G: Spyrex, Seacore

N2-RC = VP, Kunk
Fate = Benmage, El G
LB = Wicked, El G
MoI = Hito, Kunk

Feysal wrote:N7: Andrius robbed by Benmage and xvart, AurorusVox only by xvart

N5: Wraith and Baby Spice robbed by Benmage

In these grave robs, the graves without a confirmed dead or Ben/xvart would be N2, the RC grave, and N3 on the Furpants grave. Meaning that if cultists ever got corpse dust, it would be one of those two times.

And, there's the whole VP was rezzed by cult the night TNM tried to murder him thing. I've heard some different theories, but really, it only makes sense to rez him if he's scum. I mean, which one of these scenarios is more likely:

1. VP is town. Scum waste a rez kit protecting a townie. They are now one townie, and a strong townie at that, further from their wincon than if they had let the murder go through. They also confirm TNM as town pending VP's eventual flip.

2. VP is scum. Scum utilize a rez kit protecting one of their own. The scum team remains intact as they work for their wincon. TNM is still confirmed town, but only because accusing TNM of lying would just get VP lynched the next day.

Also, I would like to point out that Scum knew that both AV and Furc were stalked, and they didn't rez them "for WIFOM purposes". Really, the more I think about it, the more likely that VP is scum.

Nico, what's your read on Trig and Feysal?

(Nicodemus, Nachomamma8)
(VP Baltar)
(Trilobite)

Not Voting (6) - (Benmage, Feysal, Iecerint, , totallynotmafia, Triglav, , , xvart)

@Trilo:

Feysal is my number 2 scum read, for lurking and for the too-coincidental-to-be-coincidence commune of me when I was passed a fetish. Nacho has seemed more town as of late, and VP pushing for Nacho for days makes Feysal look bad. And VP's vote for him today, with literally no reasoning behind it, looks like scum distancing to me.

Triglav I've had as a gut town read for days, and I'm not sure I want to drop that read quite yet. PoE does kind of leave either him or you though, so this is a very murky read.

If we lynch VP today I'd be more than happy with you murdering Feysal tonight though. I'm fairly confident that VP is scum, so we'd have the numbers to allow a possible mis-murder tonight.

I'm catching up tomorrow but I want to ask this now: since we know that Corpse Dust is extinguished even if it is not necessary what is the likelihood that each of these people would warrant a Corpse Dust?

Wicked
Wraith
Hito