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Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:02 pm
by MURDERCAT
I have a whole slot open

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:03 pm
by MURDERCAT
Also let's not forget that I was not confident about Fred and still voted with my TRs

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:04 pm
by MURDERCAT
Noraa red clears Pooky in my mind by also seems very unlikely

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:05 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
its p obv the reason i didnt get scrolled is because the scum do not want me to shoot taylor

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:06 pm
by MUSHSHAGANA
I think that 4 slots closed is asking for trouble this early. 3 slots closed is pretty fair, but wait till the curse resolves to make hard decisions on that, I say. Could be LLD pays attention, passes in the obvious kill zone, and one of the other two obvious targets come up green. I don't think that's likely with Shelly, but Fidget I'm unconvinced of.

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:06 pm
by MURDERCAT
In post 5278, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:its p obv the reason i didnt get scrolled is because the scum do not want me to shoot taylor
I don't think you are TR'd enough to be a target

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:07 pm
by Gloria Cleary
Spoiler:
In post 5255, Fidget wrote:
In post 4467, Theta Alpine wrote:i do not really see the case on fredrick myself
If Adorable is town this is where I'm interested in instead.. I already went over that I think the blank defense of Fred is suspicious because it came after a couple of posters were defending Fred:
In post 4435, Tayl0r Swift wrote:also this fred wagon is ridiculous. the people on the fred wagon prove that fred is town 90%
In post 4452, MURDERCAT wrote:I think there is a good shot fredrick is town and we are being snowed by strong scum players
Granted, there was a lot of heat on Fred at the same time, too. I am still suspicious that this was the only message Theta wanted to give at the time.
In post 5010, Theta Alpine wrote:i am perfectly fine with adorable being handed the scroll
In post 5162, Theta Alpine wrote:i am very confident

which to be perfectly honest
given my past history with reads
probably means i am wrong here
This is also worrying me a little bit given Theta has been tunneling Adorable probably the entire length of the game and yet is hedging her bets at the end.

I understand worrying your read is wrong (That's kinda what I'm doing right now), but it's not like Theta is engaging with Adorable or giving alternatives or anything. Feels a tad disingenuous to push hard for Adorable, have second thoughts, but still confidently say "Kill Adorable" anyway.


When someone says they’re confident on player X being scum, then says they’re probably wrong on that read, how are you reading that as “kill Adorable”? Isn’t she saying the opposite of that?

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:07 pm
by MURDERCAT
Pooky do you still have a hard TR on Shelly?

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:07 pm
by Bell
I'm tunneled on Shelly and Taylor I think.

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:08 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
when did i even TR shelly

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:09 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 5280, MURDERCAT wrote:I don't think you are TR'd enough to be a target
good joke buddy

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:10 pm
by MUSHSHAGANA
If Adorable of all the slots was a target for even a moment, Pooky was on the table for sure.

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:10 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 5273, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:That said: I'm not too upset by that set of 4. If we have to take a gamble with a flip, I really would like to hit Pooky, because Pooky red I feel clears two slots outright (Noraa + Tayl0r). I think Tayl0r red clears Pooky and says nothing on Noraa, and Noraa red tells us fuck all. Pooky is a serious contender for best info flip, and has some degree of scum quotient as well. Clear two slots and treat our obvtowns as confs and we might be able to purely POE it to the finish line.
except pooky green tells you nothing and you get 0 info lol

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:10 pm
by MURDERCAT
In post 5284, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:when did i even TR shelly
Pretty sure you were pretty closely linked with Shelly post Noraa wagon on D1 but maybe you didn't reciprocate her feelings towards you in the same way

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:11 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
pretty sure you should read what I type instead of making up fanfiction

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:12 pm
by MURDERCAT
:cry:

*Deletes 45 pages of Shelly/Pooky fan fiction*

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:12 pm
by MUSHSHAGANA
Pooky green implicates Tayl0r tremendously, honestly. That whole back and forth smelled like SvT. Says nothing about Noraa though. Also, you have a GIGANTIC ISO and a lot of Day 1 back and forth, there's bound to be good stuff to work with in terms of VCA with you confirmed as green.

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:13 pm
by Bell
Might as well just hit taylor then.

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:13 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
how does pooky green implicate taylor

you think im infallible or something?

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:14 pm
by Fidget
In post 5162, Theta Alpine wrote:i am very confident

which to be perfectly honest
given my past history with reads
probably means i am wrong here
In post 5281, Gloria Cleary wrote:When someone says they’re confident on player X being scum, then says they’re probably wrong on that read, how are you reading that as “kill Adorable”? Isn’t she saying the opposite of that?
She's been saying "Kill Adorable" all game..

Compounded by how Theta's been not terribly active recently.. it's essentially the only thing she's been saying outside of "I don't see the Fred case".
In post 5010, Theta Alpine wrote:i am perfectly fine with adorable being handed the scroll
In post 5155, Theta Alpine wrote:i just think adorable is nearly guaranteed to be scum at this point
In post 4151, Theta Alpine wrote:why did that happen
why did vax and hopkirk die

VOTE: adorable

same reasons as before
though honestly i could also go for noraa
My point is that she's potentially nearing the finish line for getting Adorable killed, and now she's being hedgey about it. Yet it's the only read she's focused on, and she hasn't really done anything today to check elsewhere or evaluate Adorable further.

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:16 pm
by Fidget
You all think Taylor is still likely with Fred? I was under the impression they weren't teamed from their interactions, I guess Taylor's blatant reversal felt too.. obvious.

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:16 pm
by MUSHSHAGANA
No, it's about the dynamics of the shit-fight you two had late on Day 1. Tayl0r seemed to be goading you on purpose, you were giving no ground on your scumread, someone was scum in there and yeah, it's most likely Tayl0r, but I'm uncertain still. Even discounting that, the VCA bonus for analyzing the numerous Day 1 VCs does give a green flip some value.

Keep in mind I said "if we need to gamble" -- I'd prefer not to and I think we can avoid gambling if we hit Shelly next and follow the obvious road.

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:17 pm
by MUSHSHAGANA
Fidget, from what I know of Tayl0r, her playstyle lends itself very well to TSTBS defense. She'd absolutely have a chance to do this as town too, I think, but it does make me question her alignment and increases the chances of Tayl0r + Fred.

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:18 pm
by Gloria Cleary
In post 5287, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 5273, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:That said: I'm not too upset by that set of 4. If we have to take a gamble with a flip, I really would like to hit Pooky, because Pooky red I feel clears two slots outright (Noraa + Tayl0r). I think Tayl0r red clears Pooky and says nothing on Noraa, and Noraa red tells us fuck all. Pooky is a serious contender for best info flip, and has some degree of scum quotient as well. Clear two slots and treat our obvtowns as confs and we might be able to purely POE it to the finish line.
except pooky green tells you nothing and you get 0 info lol
Fred scumflip already clears Noraa because he gave the scroll to LLD. There is pretty much no world where they are buddies.

Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2020 3:19 pm
by MUSHSHAGANA
Irrelevant. Pooky red would remove all doubt there, and I promise you doubt will be cast. If I had anything to bet, I'd wager on it.
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