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Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:58 pm
by Double the Trouble
In post 5272, Gloria Cleary wrote: In post 5269, Double the Trouble wrote:thats cuz he didn't post it its mostly just something we talked about because I asked him why does dunn not claim vig in response to the guilty and that was his response.
Is that what you think as well? Did he explain his reasoning for this?
I think it has some value to it.
I think if Dunn is a supersaint he wants to get eliminated. If he claimed vig, he wouldn't get eliminated, he would get shot, and someone that is not him would be in danger.
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:01 pm
by Double the Trouble
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:07 pm
by Double the Trouble
Anyhow Gloria, you wanna know what I would do if I was scum in your position?
I would babyrage like a motherfucker and just threaten to not care and try to get people to sympathize with the fact that it seems like nothing I post matters as I proceed to OMGUS everyone who scumreads me because the only part of my towngame I can actually fake is my ability to read players who are scumreading me.
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:11 pm
by mastina
No, but he's surprisingly good at surviving a disproportionately long amount of time as scum. He might be mislynch bait as town, but in spite of his innate scumminess, he is ridiculously hard to actually eliminate. Like, he can survive for days upon days without being eliminated even if he's pressured heavily for four phases straight.
I can see FL picking Toogeloo for specifically that reason; he has this tendency to slip through the radar, be written off, be ignored, be invisible, the entire game, in spite of not doing much of anything. That's a valuable player to have on your scumteam.
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:13 pm
by Gloria Cleary
Well, that’s great you can do that but not everyone can. I tend to lose all motivation to try when I’m wrongly scumread, if nothing I do or say makes any difference, so that’s where I am rn. If I feel I’m not getting listened to and my efforts don’t matter, it’s hard to keep caring. Ircher wondered why I suddenly got enthusiastic and started posting a lot when I had pretty much lurked out the first two days. Well, the Bell flip gave me new motivation, so I started really efforting but there comes a point when you realize your banging your head against a brick wall and I realize my attitude probably royally sucks and maybe we deserve to die for that alone but I just feel it doesn’t matter what I post, the reaction I get will be the same, because that’s exactly what it’s feeling like to me. If that wasn’t the case, believe me I’d be doing a helluva lot more.
I really want a reason to care about this game and solve because that’s obviously what I signed up for. I don’t need to be a universal townread to effort but constantly hearing things like I’m in the vigpool make me not want to bother.
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:14 pm
by Double the Trouble
In post 5278, mastina wrote: No, but he's surprisingly good at surviving a disproportionately long amount of time as scum. He might be mislynch bait as town, but in spite of his innate scumminess, he is ridiculously hard to actually eliminate. Like, he can survive for days upon days without being eliminated even if he's pressured heavily for four phases straight.
I can see FL picking Toogeloo for specifically that reason; he has this tendency to slip through the radar, be written off, be ignored, be invisible, the entire game, in spite of not doing much of anything. That's a valuable player to have on your scumteam.
FL picked Toogeloo to slip through the radar, be written off and ignored, and be invisible, yet he's anything but that? And yet he can be elimination bait but he's not?
Are you high?
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:14 pm
by Polar Bear Express
In post 5279, Gloria Cleary wrote:Well, that’s great you can do that but not everyone can. I tend to lose all motivation to try when I’m wrongly scumread, if nothing I do or say makes any difference, so that’s where I am rn. If I feel I’m not getting listened to and my efforts don’t matter, it’s hard to keep caring. Ircher wondered why I suddenly got enthusiastic and started posting a lot when I had pretty much lurked out the first two days. Well, the Bell flip gave me new motivation, so I started really efforting but there comes a point when you realize your banging your head against a brick wall and I realize my attitude probably royally sucks and maybe we deserve to die for that alone but I just feel it doesn’t matter what I post, the reaction I get will be the same, because that’s exactly what it’s feeling like to me. If that wasn’t the case, believe me I’d be doing a helluva lot more.
I really want a reason to care about this game and solve because that’s obviously what I signed up for. I don’t need to be a universal townread to effort but constantly hearing things like I’m in the vigpool make me not want to bother.
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:17 pm
by Double the Trouble
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:17 pm
by mastina
I do, especially with FL at the helm.
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:18 pm
by Polar Bear Express
Haven’t you been reading my posts?
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:20 pm
by Double the Trouble
aside from that, idunno i just don't get ur 5279
part of the appeal of the game to me as town is solving the puzzle and trying to put the pieces together and i'm not sure why it matters if ur in the vig pool or not? I don't see how that is town along with the fact that ur being scumread by the masonry is enough to disuade you from continueing to try to solve the puzzle. And also I'm not sure how this is supposed to even help me.
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:21 pm
by Double the Trouble
i mean u enticed me by saying you would do a helluva lot more. I've read your posts but my curiousity just can't help but be intrigued as to what else you could be doing.
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:24 pm
by mastina
If there is an actual scum supersaint in the game: good luck getting Toogeloo to hammer them.
Toogaloo hammering someone is sufficient proof that the player being hammered isn't a scum supersaint.
In post 5109, Solstice wrote:[If Dr Easy is scum guiltying his teammate, isn't that just completely game-losing?]
~Morning
Only if a third scum is eliminated and/or we entertain the idea of keeping him alive.
If we refuse to eliminate him, and/or we don't eliminate a third scum, there's nothing game-losing about DEB's play here if DEB is scum. Innocents aren't innocents until there's only one scum alive, so him generating 'innocent' results with two scum alive does nothing to dampen the scum's chances of winning.
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:24 pm
by Polar Bear Express
In post 5285, Double the Trouble wrote:aside from that, idunno i just don't get ur 5279
part of the appeal of the game to me as town is solving the puzzle and trying to put the pieces together and i'm not sure why it matters if ur in the vig pool or not? I don't see how that is town along with the fact that ur being scumread by the masonry is enough to disuade you from continueing to try to solve the puzzle. And also I'm not sure how this is supposed to even help me.
I said that really demotivates me and no I obviously don’t expect to get tr for saying that. I’m just stating a fact. I don’t need to be tr to care but yes being in the vigpool totally saps my WIM, which is extremely unfortunate because I had so much of it after we flipped Bell. :/
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:25 pm
by mastina
Just had a power hit so warning: may cut out any second now.
Will continue to catch up otherwise tho.
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:25 pm
by Double the Trouble
and you scumread ydrasse for scumreading you right?
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:30 pm
by mastina
You know, that's not actually a bad idea. A variant on this game mode where the rules are much the same, where the town knows who the treestumps are, know one is town and the other is scum, the scum one drafted a hand-picked scumteam and the town one also did some drafting, but the town doesn't know which stump is which.
It'd become really obvious eventually, but that mechanic is genuinely an interesting one.
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:35 pm
by Polar Bear Express
I’m saying I am extremely suspicious of her 180 on us without any explanation and her relying on Hectic’s read on her, yet when Noraa points out that Hectic is also townreading us, her response is we got a red role pm.
So, I tend to scumread anything that doesn’t make sense to me and rn, her 180 on our slot just seems to be really convenient. I wonder how it’s not occurring to anyone why it’s not suspicious at all that so many people are jumping on us? It should be obvious to you that at least one if not more scum is trying to miselim us, unless scum is just sitting back and taking the easy path of watching town cannibalize itself? One if not both of these things must be the case with our slot and I’ve been wracking my brain to figure out which one or both is the case.
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:36 pm
by Double the Trouble
In post 5292, Polar Bear Express wrote:
I’m saying I am extremely suspicious of her 180 on us without any explanation and her relying on Hectic’s read on her, yet when Noraa points out that Hectic is also townreading us, her response is we got a red role pm.
So, I tend to scumread anything that doesn’t make sense to me and rn, her 180 on our slot just seems to be really convenient. I wonder how it’s not occurring to anyone why it’s not suspicious at all that so many people are jumping on us? It should be obvious to you that at least one if not more scum is trying to miselim us, unless scum is just sitting back and taking the easy path of watching town cannibalize itself? One if not both of these things must be the case with our slot and I’ve been wracking my brain to figure out which one or both is the case.
Who is jumping on you that isn't the masonry, Ydra, and Toogeloo
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:39 pm
by Double the Trouble
I can name 5 players that may want to kill you and I don't even know if Creature wants to kill you.
I can name 7 players who suspect toogeloo ok lets start
Polar Bears
Spiffeh
Dunnstral
Ircher
mastina
Ydrasse
Solstice
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:39 pm
by mastina
Ah yes the player who was among the people hard-campaigning for Bell being scum yesterday and who had both of Dunnstral and DEB as scum candidates yesterday (and in DEB's case, the whole game) when there's a 100% guarantee
at least
one of the two is scum.
Has bad reads.
(Toogeloo's stated reason for scumreading me here should be pretty apparently bullshit here. I have not had perfect reads, but my reads are far from shit. They are at least average, if not better than average, overall, as most of the players I've called town are town and at least two of the players I've called scum are scum. There's been a few players I scumread that were town, and I did briefly townread scum, but my reads have evolved over the course of the game as I reevaluated, reconsidered, and reanalyzed, constantly in a state of flux. Notably, Toogeloo also was the one who made the bullshit claim that my reads hadn't changed, in spite of the fact that they very notably have.)
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:41 pm
by Polar Bear Express
In post 5291, mastina wrote: You know, that's not actually a bad idea. A variant on this game mode where the rules are much the same, where the town knows who the treestumps are, know one is town and the other is scum, the scum one drafted a hand-picked scumteam and the town one also did some drafting, but the town doesn't know which stump is which.
It'd become really obvious eventually, but that mechanic is genuinely an interesting one.
Msybe that in part explains my lack of motivation, well I was highly motivated after Bell flip but when the masons took over and attempted to control the game, I stopped feeling like I had any agency at all. I wonder how many others feel like that?
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:45 pm
by Double the Trouble
In post 5294, Double the Trouble wrote:I can name 7 players who suspect toogeloo ok lets start
Polar Bears
Spiffeh
Dunnstral
Ircher
mastina
Ydrasse
Solstice
now whats really funny is if this is a bus the only player who gets credit for it is Polar Bears KEKW
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:48 pm
by Double the Trouble
In post 5296, Polar Bear Express wrote: In post 5291, mastina wrote: You know, that's not actually a bad idea. A variant on this game mode where the rules are much the same, where the town knows who the treestumps are, know one is town and the other is scum, the scum one drafted a hand-picked scumteam and the town one also did some drafting, but the town doesn't know which stump is which.
It'd become really obvious eventually, but that mechanic is genuinely an interesting one.
Msybe that in part explains my lack of motivation, well I was highly motivated after Bell flip but when the masons took over and attempted to control the game, I stopped feeling like I had any agency at all. I wonder how many others feel like that?
Cry me a river.
- Norwee
Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:49 pm
by Polar Bear Express
In post 5293, Double the Trouble wrote: In post 5292, Polar Bear Express wrote:
I’m saying I am extremely suspicious of her 180 on us without any explanation and her relying on Hectic’s read on her, yet when Noraa points out that Hectic is also townreading us, her response is we got a red role pm.
So, I tend to scumread anything that doesn’t make sense to me and rn, her 180 on our slot just seems to be really convenient. I wonder how it’s not occurring to anyone why it’s not suspicious at all that so many people are jumping on us? It should be obvious to you that at least one if not more scum is trying to miselim us, unless scum is just sitting back and taking the easy path of watching town cannibalize itself? One if not both of these things must be the case with our slot and I’ve been wracking my brain to figure out which one or both is the case.
Who is jumping on you that isn't the masonry, Ydra, and Toogeloo
You don’t get it. If the masonry wants me dead or part of it, why shouldn’t scum pile on? Or let scum do nothing while the masonry doles out misrlims like there going out of style? Maybe it’s not obvious yet but if I were actually scum here, I’d be beyond stoked that the masonry in their infinite wisdom is pretty handing out scum miselims. So scum has basically two possible options when it comes to our slot, they can either pile on or they can sit back and do nothing while a demotivated town acts like sheeple and takes your bad direction. I can’t say whether any of this is the case for any of your other reads but I obviously know it’s the case for us.
