Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[pieguyn]

NACHO

please fullclaim your role. and why were you defending bubba really hard yesterday?

[zMuffinMan]

everything about saki's play so far looks exactly like how he plays as scum; there's no effort to figure things out, he is only creating noise and distracting from things. since D3 he's had this "gcbc and muffin are both scum" thing going on for reasons he hasn't really talked about (which makes his switch to varsoon look even weirder) and prior to a minor burst of activity towards the very end of yesterday, he's done nothing aside from that all game. whenever i've seen saki play town, there's been elements of trying-to-figure-shit-out sprinkled throughout his ISO and i haven't seen it happen here

and yeah i realise the AD wagon technically took off first (though, really, they were concurrent at the beginning iirc) and was pushed by a lot of town players; that just makes it easier for scum to jump in the mix. it's not something i'm saying is absolutely 100% the case, but it's more likely than not i think.

as for nacho's play. i don't really remember anything he's done recently. he called GCBC town for a while then changed his mind which weirded me out a bit, and he hasn't been answering my questions about why he thinks bubba is town

[Saki]

also Sakura and Saki were double-teaming the "similar to see nine plus plus" excuse. I'm not sure if that means anything or not

saki is probably scum so no surprises here - it was easy reasoning to jump on after sakura brought it up

I brought it up before Sakura did and yes Varsoon was playing hilariously like his scum game in C9++

[Saki]

everything about saki's play so far looks exactly like how he plays as scum

; there's no effort to figure things out, he is only creating noise and distracting from things. since D3 he's had this "gcbc and muffin are both scum" thing going on for reasons he hasn't really talked about (which makes his switch to varsoon look even weirder) and prior to a minor burst of activity towards the very end of yesterday, he's done nothing aside from that all game.

whenever i've seen saki play town, there's been elements of trying-to-figure-shit-out sprinkled throughout his ISO

and i haven't seen it happen here

yo wtf.

[Saki]

muffin are you seriously bringing up a meta case against me
that's tl;dr Saki is useful as town and useless as scum

when you were in O525 and Xenogears and saw me do the exact opposite?

[pieguyn]

here's the problem I'm having

if GCBC is really town bulletproof, then there's almost 100% 5 mafia bc a lot of town power. but the only ones who would be left by POE are Sakura and Saki, plus we'd have to swap in one of zmuffin or Nacho. I really don't think there's 3 scum in those names (and I don't think Kise/SSK is scum)

I also don't think wanting to be lynched is the right mindset for any townie at this point of the game even if they're supposed to be PL'ed

[zMuffinMan]

@saki

in xenogears, there were elements of you trying to figure shit out though. like, your play always looks abysmal, but at least you look like you're trying to figure things out when you're town. unlike in open525 you did nothing outside of tunneling on regfan before i killed him and there were no elements of you tryng to figure out the game

[pieguyn]

also he's done nothing but push easy targets all game

I've had enough of this. solid scum read. GCBC is mafia and bubba is SK. Sakura can be scum too. I first thought she was town for *reasons* but I've changed my mind. I really hope there's only 4 mafia even though common sense makes me say otherwise.

I think the wanting to be PL'ed is just a lame excuse to get town to lynch a townie by saying the only alternative is to PL a townie. idk how the hell that works but it may also be a stupid move to increase town apathy

[GoodCop_BadCop]

WHY WOULD HE ASK THIS TO SOMEONE HE KNOWS IS TOWN? I don't see what he was aiming to accomplish here and it feels entirely like manipulation and useless fluff

BECAUSE EVERYONE WANTS TO LIVE PIEGUY! SURVIVALISM IS AT OUR CORE, ITS NOT MORESO WITH ONE FACTION OVER THE OTHER.

Maybe the all caps will beat it into your head faster.

~GC

[pieguyn]

says the guy who wants to be PL'ed?

hahahahaha

[zMuffinMan]

@saki

also

LOTR (town); bad play but at least you looked like you were trying to figure out what was going on and forming reads in a way that made some sense
open519 (scum); none of that, which is why i had you as a scum read for all of it (but again, i was scum there too so it didn't matter to me)
cash cabd (scum); no trying to figure shit out, just coasting
fruit basket (scum); no trying to figure shit out, just coasting
xenogears (town); bad play but again, you were at least trying to figuring out what was going on and forming reads in a sensible way
open525 (scum); tunneled your partner, did nothing else of value in the game. at that point i wasn't aware you like bussing/distancing in that way, but you weren't trying to figure out the game at all

i've got a fairly good grasp of what to look for in your town and scum games. the reason i had you as town in cephrir's game (prior to your claim) is because you weren't playing like i expected you to play as scum (you were actually trying to figure things out there) but that's because you were SK and you were actually trying to find scum so yeah.

here you're doing nothing of the sort. there's no trying to figure stuff out. there's no forming reads in a way that makes some sense

[GoodCop_BadCop]

That's Cabd's. I understand why, but I literally couldn't wait for a Varsoon flip. Conf-Bias and all.

~GC

[Saki]

@saki

also

LOTR (town); bad play but at least you looked like you were trying to figure out what was going on and forming reads in a way that made some sense
open519 (scum); none of that, which is why i had you as a scum read for all of it (but again, i was scum there too so it didn't matter to me)
cash cabd (scum); no trying to figure shit out, just coasting
fruit basket (scum); no trying to figure shit out, just coasting
xenogears (town); bad play but again, you were at least trying to figuring out what was going on and forming reads in a sensible way
open525 (scum); tunneled your partner, did nothing else of value in the game. at that point i wasn't aware you like bussing/distancing in that way, but you weren't trying to figure out the game at all

i've got a fairly good grasp of what to look for in your town and scum games. the reason i had you as town in cephrir's game (prior to your claim) is because you weren't playing like i expected you to play as scum (you were actually trying to figure things out there) but that's because you were SK and you were actually trying to find scum so yeah.

here you're doing nothing of the sort. there's no trying to figure stuff out. there's no forming reads in a way that makes some sense

if you call LOTR and Xenogears "effort" on my part you can easily say my push on Varsoon was "effort"

[zMuffinMan]

"effort" was never a factor in my read on you

[Saki]

trying to figure stuff out

= effort

if not, then why is openly trolling town in Xenogears town-me
and me giving my opinion on several players in this game scum-me

[zMuffinMan]

when did you give opinions on players in this game? literally all you did prior to the very end of yesterday is say gcbc and i are both scum

[zMuffinMan]

and the end of yesterday was you calling varsoon scum and nothing else

i don't even remember you giving a single town read this game

[pieguyn]

Going to sleep tho, i'll prob. tell you the rest tomorrow if i dont forget, why cant you just ISO me and go to the first few posts of mine?

^ I still want an explanation for this bc I can't find an explanation for exactly why. the fact you're redirecting onto the first few posts of yours and not giving a concrete explanation is a point towards you/GCBC team

[Saki]

when did you give opinions on players in this game? literally all you did prior to the very end of yesterday is say gcbc and i are both scum

(that isn't an opinion?)

and um, Varsoon.

and I still don't get why you thought I was town in Xenogears (assuming you did before my flip) and think I'm scum here because I'm pretty much did the same thing when I replaced in

100 pages? cbf to read, better troll/coast

pedit: Varsoon was pretty much the only solid read I had since I didn't read lol
+
sorta goes without saying that I think that the conftownies are town (THERE WERE SOOO MANY)
and since when is giving townreads indicative of me being town (hint: not at all)

[Saki]

and calling you and GCBC scum was based off the first thing I read when I replaced in
(his role and your role conflicting so that one of you must be scum)

and I called you the SK
and I also called Nacho scum

[Sakura Hana]

^ I still want an explanation for this bc I can't find an explanation for exactly why. the fact you're redirecting onto the first few posts of yours and not giving a concrete explanation is a point towards you/GCBC team

AtF, i cant see scum Cabd relying on AtF on me rather than AtE which im weaker to (since he should know this by now)

[zMuffinMan]

that isn't an opinion?

not the sort of thing i'm looking for - of course you're going to call someone scum regardless of your alignment, that doesn't constitute trying to figure things out or having opinions on something

I still don't get why you thought I was town in Xenogears (assuming you did before my flip)

i didn't prior to your flip and i'm not looking for similarities that you can easily do as scum (like saying you cbf reading)

and calling you and GCBC scum was based off the first thing I read when I replaced in
(his role and your role conflicting so that one of you must be scum)

our roles don't conflict and there's no reason one of us

must

be scum

[pieguyn]

^ I still want an explanation for this bc I can't find an explanation for exactly why. the fact you're redirecting onto the first few posts of yours and not giving a concrete explanation is a point towards you/GCBC team

AtF, i cant see scum Cabd relying on AtF on me rather than AtE which im weaker to (since he should know this by now)

1. is ATF smth Cabd ever does as town?
2. the problem is it obviously did work (which you outright ADMITTED). do you really think he didn't think he couldn't get away with ATF against you?
also who do you think is scum?

[zMuffinMan]

btw

what are your actual reads, saki?

still me and gcbc scum, presumably? what else?

[pieguyn]

for the record, I have GCBC, Sakura, and Saki as actual scumreads. I just have to make sure neither of zmuffin and Nacho are scum before continuing