↑ChriVi wrote:elusive, you should replace out with him.
My win-con is to eliminate all threats to town
; If House is playing against town's wincon then he needs to be lynched, simple as that.
Emphasis added. I
really am
town, and my win condition reads absolutely nothing like this. That's not even an accurate paraphrase of what the town win condition says in my role PM. Nit picky perhaps but ... sometimes scum get caught by the dumbest things.
Why would I go look at my role for my wincon unless I was being paranoid and really wanted to check the town wincon? I'd be more suspicious of someone with a really specific, perfect town wincon example than a shitty paraphrase. Stop being bad.
↑Cerberus v666 wrote:At the behest of my neighbor, I am voting Vonflare. I hope you're right this time OC.
Vote: Vonflare
<3
↑elusive wrote:ChriVi, don't worry I wouldn't replace out because of the chipmunk noises made by some random and I'm trying hard to refrain from doing anything modkill worthy which is lucky for you. I'll ISO you tomorrow instead and discuss the merits or lack of capability evidenced by what I find there. Considering the brief interaction here, my expectations should be set low shouldn't they?
Please shut up
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:26 pm
by ChriVi
Shit I forgot this account doesn't have my sig from my acc (Viomi) so I'll say it here
"And by shut up I mean stop posting lame bullshit and actually do something to help us find scum please."
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:32 pm
by Cerberus v666
↑elusive wrote:ChriVi, don't worry I wouldn't replace out because of the chipmunk noises made by some random and I'm trying hard to refrain from doing anything modkill worthy which is lucky for you. I'll ISO you tomorrow instead and discuss the merits or lack of capability evidenced by what I find there. Considering the brief interaction here, my expectations should be set low shouldn't they?
For the record, ChriVi is mod confirmed as town to me. There are much better uses for your time then determining how scum they are.
↑deathfisaro wrote:Welcome Plotinus!
I'm starting to recognize more and more people every game. House should stop stalking me though
You're just bitter over the recent town win where you derped the last day (well to be fair, we both derped the innocent on Vamp, but you were the scum that suffered for missing it).
Not my fault, bro.
I think I posted before it happened. I'm not bitter because I didn't read and lost lol I find it actually pretty humorous since usually I pay attention to things.
You were in my recent 4 games in a row or something. You replaced into 3 of them, thus the stalking comment. Well to be fair one of the games I replaced into a game you were playing =P
P.S. All but this game out of the 4 have been completed.
Decided I don't care about the night skip tonight, mainly because a skip tonight turns death into a VT. Makes it neutral utility, and I think we'll learn more from the kills immediatey after we mass claim than we would from lynching twice in a row today.
Unless someone can strongly suggest that werewolf isn't SK or is in a faction of 2+ players, lynching a werewolf today might keep me a seer but with no alive werewolf to hunt for. Thus not any better than a VT. Well if I get to keep sending in night actions I might keep targetting BC to get reflexive JK'd but I don't think that does me nor town much good, if any.
I'm perfectly fine with becoming VT as a result of a nightskip.
I lose my power but up to 3 people don't lose their lives (and I don't see any way 3 non-town getting NK'd tonight), so it's a net positive for town.
And your hypothetical comments about ChriVi business looked pretty bad to be honest.
I don't know what you're going through but your posts today is quite different from the previous ones.
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:08 pm
by deathfisaro
↑Plotinus wrote:Hi deathfisaro. I wish you'd lasted longer in our last game, hardly got to know you.
Spoiler: Plotinus' very preliminary reads list
TOWN
1) me
2&3)
Three
Two Prong Trouser and Toon Fighter because masons. that's good enough for now.
4) ChriVi because mason
5) House because he was scum in my last game. kidding. anyway i thought there was something about his predecessor having an accurate result about something?
6) drixx because we seem to have matching PMs and my predecessor thought that meant something and setup spec is hard so i'll just sheep ActionDan on that until I get to know drixx better.
7) lucianroy because he did that dayvig thing and killed scum
THE MIDDLE
8) deathfisaro the faction cop
9) oranje crush because the wiki says commuters are usually town aligned
10) narninian redirects kills at night. +honesty points and +scumhunting and activity
11) brantz because of that removing themself from the game during the day and being gone all night -- hard to do night kills if you're not in town. though it's 3? shot? so maybe he's mafia with a really good alibi?
12) Bbmolla because night skip thing - that's one of heck of a gambit if it is one. They're in the middle because what if it's a gambit and is really a dayskip thing instead?
13) bulbasaur the reflexive jailkeeper and i'm not sure what to make of that yet
14) Boonskiies -"town skeptical cop" - lots of fluff not much scumhunting
15) cerebrus - weird setup spec ability
16) Titus - not sure what I think of trying to create town voting blocks because I think if I were scum I'd definitely want to get into a town voting block. But I have her in the middle because I want to like her.
SCUM
17) elusive because the wiki says you're only supposed to claim town vengeful if you're scum vengeful
18) peregrienv for lurking (i don't think this is alignment indicative because apparently doing this everywhere but they've posted 26 posts so an average of 1 post every 4 pages.
19) vonflate for scummy posting and lurking. I liked Oranje's recent wall about him.
Well you left me a quite an impression, I strongly townread you over a single post, although it was more of a newbdrop I think that's still a talent. I feel like this game is not as newbie friendly =P (well 26 player vanillaless is quite a lot of new PRs to learn over a short period of time to start).
Wiki is a good place to start but I don't think "wiki says commuters are usually town" is a good enough reason to attach to a read. (I'm assuming the order signifies how strongly town each player is)
I don't remember the circumstances, but Lucian also preemtively claimed vengilante so it's interesting to see Lucian up town but elusive in the scum both having done similar things besides if they fired the gun already or not. Elusive is not a plain vengeful but I don't need to fish the other part out. If someone thinks their PR has something to do with her other part then they can dig it themselves. Maybe this influenced her claiming town vengeful part.
↑ChriVi wrote:elusive, you should replace out with him.
My win-con is to eliminate all threats to town
; If House is playing against town's wincon then he needs to be lynched, simple as that.
Emphasis added. I
really am
town, and my win condition reads absolutely nothing like this. That's not even an accurate paraphrase of what the town win condition says in my role PM. Nit picky perhaps but ... sometimes scum get caught by the dumbest things.
Why would I go look at my role for my wincon unless I was being paranoid and really wanted to check the town wincon? I'd be more suspicious of someone with a really specific, perfect town wincon example than a shitty paraphrase. Stop being bad.
Now you should go and check your role for your wincon because mine doesn't say that either.
It's such a simple and concise statement I can still reasonably accurately phrase it 5000+ posts since reading it.
So now the consensus is no nightskip?
If that's the case I'll get off BBmolla as there is no reason to. And I bothered spending my night action on vonflare, no reason to refuse that either.
Also I guess I'm going to sign up for a couple more games in anticipation of becoming dog food
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:19 pm
by Oranje Crush
Would prefer nightskip but I doubt we'll persuade the others not on vonflare.
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:27 pm
by deathfisaro
I would be hesitant to vote vonflare since Plotinus is on that wagon, but being multiball it doesn't stop me I guess.
Let's just end the day, D3 has been too long.
P.S. Since this is the first time I'm hunting for SK's, I'm accepting names of people you suspect is SK =P Whether I live to share the result is a whole different story and something I can't control so. VOTE: vonflare
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:28 pm
by ChriVi
Vonflare looks pretty scummy, and with Bulba's ability we'll get almost the equivalent of an NK except scum might still shoot eachother.
↑ChriVi wrote:elusive, you should replace out with him.
My win-con is to eliminate all threats to town
; If House is playing against town's wincon then he needs to be lynched, simple as that.
Emphasis added. I
really am
town, and my win condition reads absolutely nothing like this. That's not even an accurate paraphrase of what the town win condition says in my role PM. Nit picky perhaps but ... sometimes scum get caught by the dumbest things.
Why would I go look at my role for my wincon unless I was being paranoid and really wanted to check the town wincon? I'd be more suspicious of someone with a really specific, perfect town wincon example than a shitty paraphrase. Stop being bad.
Now you should go and check your role for your wincon because mine doesn't say that either.
It's such a simple and concise statement I can still reasonably accurately phrase it 5000+ posts since reading it.
Eliminate all threats to town and your faction is the only one remaining is the same thing, I'm not really seeing this as an argument.
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:07 pm
by LucianRoy
I guess I'm a little late to the party.
Almost everyone in this game must've stated at least once they thought vonflare was scummy.
I'm interested in his flip, but I can only fear the worst.
↑elusive wrote:ChriVi, don't worry I wouldn't replace out because of the chipmunk noises made by some random and I'm trying hard to refrain from doing anything modkill worthy which is lucky for you. I'll ISO you tomorrow instead and discuss the merits or lack of capability evidenced by what I find there. Considering the brief interaction here, my expectations should be set low shouldn't they?
For the record, ChriVi is mod confirmed as town to me. There are much better uses for your time then determining how scum they are.
You sure like throwing the phrase "mod confirmed town" a lot, when YOU aren't even "mod confirmed town".
↑Narninian wrote:Eliminate all threats to town and your faction is the only one remaining is the same thing, I'm not really seeing this as an argument.
Almost every game's every faction's win condition is the same thing, worded differently. But being worded differently matters because you can't see other faction's role PMs thus how their wincon is worded.
It literally takes seconds to go check the role PM, and there was no need for you to spoil this. If ChriVi failed to produce more acceptable wording, one would wonder why supposedly mod confirmed town can't spend a few seconds to check the role PM and say the right thing.
Knowing how town wincon is worded doesn't make anyone town because it's in the sample role PM anyway. But not knowing, makes one non-town.
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:20 pm
by Toon Fighter
why do we keep wagoning players replacing out? I just find the whole thing very scummy :/
Okay, I have at least skimmed everyone's ISOs, not every post because it's only been a few hours, just enough to form some preliminary opinion and move on, so somewhat biased towards the first hundred or so posts a person made
You skimmed everyone's ISO in that little time? Interesting.
I obviously didn't read the whole thing in 5 hours, and you'll notice there's very little about the player's behaviour in the list. I doubt I spent more than 10-15 minutes on anyone except myself and boon because I wanted to know why I was voting him.
I asked in my first post for at least two people who disagreed with each other to summarise things for me but nobody seems to have taken me up on that (offer is still open!). so i read backwards for a few pages, did find some previous summaries which helped with knowing what has been claimed, and then skipped around with ISOs for a while.
I stopped reading as soon as I had a reason to put them somewhere on my list, even if it was just a few posts it. Sometimes skimming one ISO helped me put a few different people in place -- i skipped some of the masons entirely. I do intend to do more close reading later, but I can't read 213 pages in a few hours or even in a few weeks, so I wanted some kind of starting place to put everybody.
↑Plotinus wrote:Hi deathfisaro. I wish you'd lasted longer in our last game, hardly got to know you.
Spoiler: Plotinus' very preliminary reads list
TOWN
1) me
2&3)
Three
Two Prong Trouser and Toon Fighter because masons. that's good enough for now.
4) ChriVi because mason
5) House because he was scum in my last game. kidding. anyway i thought there was something about his predecessor having an accurate result about something?
6) drixx because we seem to have matching PMs and my predecessor thought that meant something and setup spec is hard so i'll just sheep ActionDan on that until I get to know drixx better.
7) lucianroy because he did that dayvig thing and killed scum
THE MIDDLE
8) deathfisaro the faction cop
9) oranje crush because the wiki says commuters are usually town aligned
10) narninian redirects kills at night. +honesty points and +scumhunting and activity
11) brantz because of that removing themself from the game during the day and being gone all night -- hard to do night kills if you're not in town. though it's 3? shot? so maybe he's mafia with a really good alibi?
12) Bbmolla because night skip thing - that's one of heck of a gambit if it is one. They're in the middle because what if it's a gambit and is really a dayskip thing instead?
13) bulbasaur the reflexive jailkeeper and i'm not sure what to make of that yet
14) Boonskiies -"town skeptical cop" - lots of fluff not much scumhunting
15) cerebrus - weird setup spec ability
16) Titus - not sure what I think of trying to create town voting blocks because I think if I were scum I'd definitely want to get into a town voting block. But I have her in the middle because I want to like her.
SCUM
17) elusive because the wiki says you're only supposed to claim town vengeful if you're scum vengeful
18) peregrienv for lurking (i don't think this is alignment indicative because apparently doing this everywhere but they've posted 26 posts so an average of 1 post every 4 pages.
19) vonflate for scummy posting and lurking. I liked Oranje's recent wall about him.
Well you left me a quite an impression, I strongly townread you over a single post, although it was more of a newbdrop I think that's still a talent. I feel like this game is not as newbie friendly =P (well 26 player vanillaless is quite a lot of new PRs to learn over a short period of time to start).
Wiki is a good place to start but I don't think "wiki says commuters are usually town" is a good enough reason to attach to a read. (I'm assuming the order signifies how strongly town each player is)
I don't remember the circumstances, but Lucian also preemtively claimed vengilante so it's interesting to see Lucian up town but elusive in the scum both having done similar things besides if they fired the gun already or not. Elusive is not a plain vengeful but I don't need to fish the other part out. If someone thinks their PR has something to do with her other part then they can dig it themselves. Maybe this influenced her claiming town vengeful part.
Yes, that's the order. I know "the wiki says" isn't a good reason. But it was reason enough to stop reading and put them somewhere on my list. And I missed that about Lucian and Elusive - I guess I'll scoot them back into the middle and then try reading both them more closely. I have been thinking of vigilante and vengeful as substantially different things but I think I need to spend more time with the wiki, and also with ISOs when I'm not skimming.
Most of the reasons in my list aren't very great, but I gave them so that people would know how seriously to take to the read.
Once I get to know everyone better I will hopefully be able to produce a reads list that is more about how people are acting and less about of what the wiki says and whether I think their ability is more likely scum or town.
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:58 pm
by House
The thing I like most about Plotinus is that he obvtowns the shit out of himself without even trying.
He's not quite there yet, but give him a little time and his towniness will burn itself into your soul.
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