Also grabbed the height of the MIrhawk/FS wagons on D1(it's incomplete information) and the final Ranger wagon composition. Again, to make it easy for me to look at these things. I apologize for not spoiling it all.
Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 4:22 pm
by dramonic
vote: piper
I just want to rub it in everyone's face that I called Axel scum before it was cool :p
Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 4:24 pm
by Cerberus v666
Spoiler: Those other two posts because fuck it's irritating that they showed up on two different pages. :(
Also grabbed the height of the MIrhawk/FS wagons on D1(it's incomplete information) and the final Ranger wagon composition. Again, to make it easy for me to look at these things. I apologize for not spoiling it all.
I just want to rub it in everyone's face that I called Axel scum before it was cool :p
Me too! Well, kinda. I never had a reason for it though.
Piper still isn't scum though dram. Unless they are and I'm wrong, but man, I'm not wrong, like, how often have you seen me be, like, super wrong?
Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 4:27 pm
by Cerberus v666
*sigh* my eyes glaze over when I look at VC's. Can someone please look at that and tell me how much of the wagon pressure that showed up on FS at the start of yesterday was from people who were pushing them from the middle of the day on D1, basically those who thought they were scum since back then and just immediately went back to that wagon as soon as the chance presented itself? I'm lazy guys.
Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 4:56 pm
by Errantparabola
I have for you what I think could be an above average bah post but probably a below average song cover.
I had to learn audio editing for this shit (not really but I did have to download audio editing software)
In post 5305, Errantparabola wrote:I have for you what I think could be an above average bah post but probably a below average song cover.
I had to learn audio editing for this shit (not really but I did have to download audio editing software)
There's no basis for the whole "FS was the counterwagon to Mirhawk" that couldn't be used to say "FS and Mirhawk were both counterwagons to TPP".
Notice how hard it was to get people on Axel as well.
Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 6:33 pm
by Cerberus v666
dram, TPP never had more than 3 votes yesterday, I believe. You can't call that a wagon. Well, you can, but you'd be wrong.
Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 6:43 pm
by dramonic
I'm not gonna look between votecounts to see if there were more votes that were removed later, so perhaps.
The wagon doesn't have to be big when we're that close to deadline regardless.
Could you produce a readlist for me, I wanna know how much I want to ignore your opinion and the only thing I see in votecounts are mirhawk votes from you. :p
Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 6:43 pm
by Mirhawk
In post 5286, SirCakez wrote:VOTE: Mirhawk
This is fucking scum
FS was a blatnt counterwagon
Axel's interactions with Mir were terrible too
Agree about the counterwagon. Also, yeah I know, I thought he was town.
In post 5315, dramonic wrote:I'm not gonna look between votecounts to see if there were more votes that were removed later, so perhaps.
The wagon doesn't have to be big when we're that close to deadline regardless.
Could you produce a readlist for me, I wanna know how much I want to ignore your opinion and the only thing I see in votecounts are mirhawk votes from you. :p
Naw man. Read my ISO. It's already there. I responded to something TO said and there is effectively a reads list in that post.
And, I'm talking about throughout the day dram, not in the last 24h.
Mirhawk WAS at L-1 for a moment, and L-2 for a good while. the next VC, FS is at L-2, and then they're lynched. Mirhawk is CLEARLY the wagon being counterwagoned against in the last 24h. Arguably both TPP and FS were said counterwagons, though FS picked up more steam.
Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 6:54 pm
by dramonic
You're delusional, and I've just read through your ISO and didn't find the post =/
Mirhawk: I told talah why i thought both he and TPP were town. Link me to your case and I'll tell you why it is insufficient to override my town read on the slot? And, there's absolutely nothing town about your slot(the towniest thing is the fact that you were voting/pushing, though not strongly, Skybird on D1), and multiple instances of opportunism and inconsistency which have been brought up by others, all of which combines with the incomprehensible way you avoided a lynch to make it seem highly likely that you are scum.
My problem with Piper hasn't changed. I don't see town consciously deciding to mislead town in the way they did when pressured on why they thought Tictac was town. There were ways to disclose that information without doing so, so why didn't they?
The most opportunistic thing I've done was probably when I switched my vote to Skybird day one. What else have I done that you feel was opportunistic? Also, I'm not sure in what way I've been inconstant, I think I've been relatively consistent. Some more specifics would be nice.
If it helps do this as a justification to get more votes on me.
Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 6:57 pm
by dramonic
Also do you remember who was pushing the hardest for that wagon to swing onto FS?
Do you remember who was screaming "WE'RE LYNCHING US OR FS"?
If you so desperately want to play the counterwagon game, you can't simultaneously ignore WHO was heavily pushing for that swap.
ANYWAYS, I want to see some results from Marquis and whoever replaced Talah. With any luck Marquis was smart and checked one of Mir or TPP
Mirhawk: I told talah why i thought both he and TPP were town. Link me to your case and I'll tell you why it is insufficient to override my town read on the slot? And, there's absolutely nothing town about your slot(the towniest thing is the fact that you were voting/pushing, though not strongly, Skybird on D1), and multiple instances of opportunism and inconsistency which have been brought up by others, all of which combines with the incomprehensible way you avoided a lynch to make it seem highly likely that you are scum.
My problem with Piper hasn't changed. I don't see town consciously deciding to mislead town in the way they did when pressured on why they thought Tictac was town. There were ways to disclose that information without doing so, so why didn't they?
The most opportunistic thing I've done was probably when I switched my vote to Skybird day one. What else have I done that you feel was opportunistic? Also, I'm not sure in what way I've been inconstant, I think I've been relatively consistent. Some more specifics would be nice.
If it helps do this as a justification to get more votes on me.
Go read itlepips and Marquis posts about you? Those are the things that got the earlier wagons on you.
I also outlined why a town!piper would mislead town regarding the certainty of their read on a NEIGHBORIZING INVESTIGATIVE.
It allows them to feed an investigate result to town white misleading scum about the source of the investigative. Depending on how his JOAT works, this could allow town to get more investigates off.
Dram: If you can't find it, I'm really not in the mood to do it for you.
pedit: Valid point. I'll have to consider it.
Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 7:00 pm
by Mirhawk
In post 5295, Cerberus v666 wrote:Oh, the second wig last night thing is super fucking weird too. I do not know how to interpret that Mirhawk. I would default to thinking someone had, inexplicably, targeted FS with some sort of roleblock/action delaying ability, but meh. Maybe somebody has some power that lets them repeat the last action taken by a dead slot? Or someone (again, inexplicably) stole their wig sending power? *shrug*
Yeah I agree that its super weird.
I can think of several ways it might have happened, but everyone knew that seniors was a fruit vendor from day one and everyone knew he targeted me from day two. Also as of yesterday everyone also knew it was confirmed that he targeted me night one.
While I can think of some possible roles, I cant think of any benefit to whoever did it.
Weird.
Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 7:02 pm
by Mirhawk
In post 5297, Flubbernugget wrote:None of this says fs is a cw to me, especially after the screaming speed at which the wagon came forth
Even though it was technically maybe a counterwagon to Axel I agree with this. Seniors attracted so much heat and votes over the whole game it made him a fairly easy deadline lynch, which is pretty much what this was.