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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:50 am
by Spiffeh
DEO honestly just needs to stop posting.
Nothing either head is doing is helpful right now. Titus keeps arguing with ABR and is now proposing a ridiculous plan, Mathblade has a set scum team in their mind and constructs a narrative based on those assumptions when it should be the other way around.
Stop acknowledging them, they're not "leading" town, they don't decide anything.
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:50 am
by Spiffeh
ABR where are you at with Caesar?
I see your scum reads and disagree on pretty much every single one.
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:51 am
by The DEO
In post 5299, Albert B. Rampage wrote:We are both too controversial to NK so we will be back here day 3, day 4, etc.
We have to build trust.
You have a week to put your emotions away.
Which is why we must be vigged.
You are playing to people's emotions by claiming I have to "put my emotions away". I thought about this for days before approaching Math. The game needs our death.
Painting me as unreasonable/emotional rather than considering others is a dick move ABR.
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:55 am
by The DEO
In post 5300, Spiffeh wrote:DEO honestly just needs to stop posting.
Nothing either head is doing is helpful right now. Titus keeps arguing with ABR and is now proposing a ridiculous plan, Mathblade has a set scum team in their mind and constructs a narrative based on those assumptions when it should be the other way around.
Stop acknowledging them, they're not "leading" town, they don't decide anything.
How am I supposed to hunt or play if I can't post?
Like :/
~~Math
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:55 am
by Albert B. Rampage
In post 5301, Spiffeh wrote:ABR where are you at with Caesar?
I see your scum reads and disagree on pretty much every single one.
It's an OK lynch.
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:55 am
by The DEO
In post 5300, Spiffeh wrote:DEO honestly just needs to stop posting.
Nothing either head is doing is helpful right now. Titus keeps arguing with ABR and is now proposing a ridiculous plan, Mathblade has a set scum team in their mind and constructs a narrative based on those assumptions when it should be the other way around.
Stop acknowledging them, they're not "leading" town, they don't decide anything.
This dissonance isn't going anywhere. No amount of silence is getting me to compromise with someone who thinks they solved the game.
It's not a ridiculous plan to help others scumhunt, it prevents scum from winning vig in priority and shooting two obvious towns and on Day 4, we'll get a strong voice to listen to.
The only downside is I die, and I always say no one town is more important than any other. I am owning it.
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:56 am
by The DEO
When my scumread says not to post and not hunt do you think that is what I would do?
And for the millionth time that isn't what I am doing :/
~~Math
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:57 am
by Albert B. Rampage
In post 5302, The DEO wrote: In post 5299, Albert B. Rampage wrote:We are both too controversial to NK so we will be back here day 3, day 4, etc.
We have to build trust.
You have a week to put your emotions away.
Which is why we must be vigged.
You are playing to people's emotions by claiming I have to "put my emotions away". I thought about this for days before approaching Math. The game needs our death.
Painting me as unreasonable/emotional rather than considering others is a dick move ABR.
You're like a spoiled child threatening suicide and you need a timeout. This is the last post I will write to you until you think long and hard about what's good for this town. Not for what ends your "suffering". It's a game, try to enjoy yourself.
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:58 am
by davesaz
In post 5287, Spiffeh wrote: In post 5199, davesaz wrote:I could be a nice guy and point Spiffeh to a place where I had trouble reading him. I am indeed being honest here that I have no confidence in that read at this point. But it's late...
Can you do this now please?
It's a challenge to find a game we're both in. But if you look here you'll see that I didn't think I could read you back then either.
Musical mafia
Do you have one where I was certain of my read in the first couple days?
Pedit: there is more than one way to deal with toxicity between a pair of players in a game. If you have to weigh the fun of 1 or 2 people against the fun of 20+, strong action may be required to protect the 20+.
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:59 am
by The DEO
In post 5305, The DEO wrote: In post 5300, Spiffeh wrote:DEO honestly just needs to stop posting.
Nothing either head is doing is helpful right now. Titus keeps arguing with ABR and is now proposing a ridiculous plan, Mathblade has a set scum team in their mind and constructs a narrative based on those assumptions when it should be the other way around.
Stop acknowledging them, they're not "leading" town, they don't decide anything.
This dissonance isn't going anywhere. No amount of silence is getting me to compromise with someone who thinks they solved the game.
It's not a ridiculous plan to help others scumhunt, it prevents scum from winning vig in priority and shooting two obvious towns and on Day 4, we'll get a strong voice to listen to.
The only downside is I die, and I always say no one town is more important than any other. I am owning it.
For the millionth time I have never asked for silence.
I don't think I have solved it.
I just never vote outside my top X scumreads.
Where X is likely scums remaining.
~~Math
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:59 am
by PeregrineV
Reading now.
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:00 am
by The DEO
In post 5307, Albert B. Rampage wrote: In post 5302, The DEO wrote: In post 5299, Albert B. Rampage wrote:We are both too controversial to NK so we will be back here day 3, day 4, etc.
We have to build trust.
You have a week to put your emotions away.
Which is why we must be vigged.
You are playing to people's emotions by claiming I have to "put my emotions away". I thought about this for days before approaching Math. The game needs our death.
Painting me as unreasonable/emotional rather than considering others is a dick move ABR.
You're like a spoiled child threatening suicide and you need a timeout. This is the last post I will write to you until you think long and hard about what's good for this town. Not for what ends your "suffering". It's a game, try to enjoy yourself.
Yeah, comparing me to a spoiled child and belittling me is an excellent way to get me to reconsider my beliefs ABR.
You always have to be better than me. You've been grandstanding and emotionally abusive the whole time. Plus, you now diminish real people with real issues.
Kill me. If you refuse, I would pray Nero would.
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:02 am
by The DEO
In post 5308, davesaz wrote: In post 5287, Spiffeh wrote: In post 5199, davesaz wrote:I could be a nice guy and point Spiffeh to a place where I had trouble reading him. I am indeed being honest here that I have no confidence in that read at this point. But it's late...
Can you do this now please?
It's a challenge to find a game we're both in. But if you look here you'll see that I didn't think I could read you back then either.
Musical mafia
Do you have one where I was certain of my read in the first couple days?
Pedit: there is more than one way to deal with toxicity between a pair of players in a game. If you have to weigh the fun of 1 or 2 people against the fun of 20+, strong action may be required to protect the 20+.
Someone gets it.
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:03 am
by Akane and Nebby
In post 5269, ssbm_Kyouko wrote: In post 5013, Nero Cain wrote:@ mostly Brain and anyone else
pls vote Nebby.
They are scum b/c they tried to blame ABR for the Yuri wagon dissipating when it wasn't his fault. When I pointed this out they said that that wasn't what they were arguing. When I posted quotes of them arguing exactly that (
4444 they didn't reply. He then goes on to call me confbias while still calling me scum. It doesn't make sense so I feel like they are scum that know that I am town. He then argued that there was nothing to respond to in 4444. While yes, 4444 doesn't ask a direct question, I find it oddly convenient that they have no response to the crux of my case.
Counterpoint: He's a VI (my words) but Spiff thinks that her blaming ABR comes from bad town and the Maria head of Sodom think she wouldn't be this mind boggingly stupid (embellishment mine)
Playing like I replaced in at this point, so I haven't read this part of the game where yuri got wagoned to L-1, but the timeline in your 4444 doesn't add up. A+N says it wasn't their argument and only later, after you've said it was their argument that they ended up saying it. Looks like gaslighting to me. Did A+N ever say that prior to 4378 when you initially brought up the point?
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Is this all you have for a catch up Kyouko?
Really?
Really?
-Nebby
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:11 am
by PeregrineV
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:15 am
by Albert B. Rampage
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:18 am
by davesaz
@Spiffeh:
Cougar's Den I never had a read on you at all and was questioning people why they townread you.
We were both town in those games.
BTW those links are excellent sources of town meta for me, in particular for situations where I'm having trouble keeping up. I leave it to the readers (if any) to draw conclusions.
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:21 am
by Vecna
.....WHY WOULD U EVER OUT THIS
This is basicly a scum-claim, or a really really dumbshit thing to do.
You just completely invalidated your wonder and made it totally useless.
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:21 am
by davesaz
I wish I had more than 1-2 games in common with LUV, to know if softing / fakeclaiming is AI for him.
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:23 am
by Vecna
In post 5270, The DEO wrote:Math is letting me claim. She doesn't quite get this. We have a plan. We die tonight unless scum have a doctor. Every vig shot option presented one of us townreads and we cannot get the vig to shoot ABR (and I am not sure he's scum rather than just Anti-Titus).
Our hydra has zero chance of reconciling with ABR playing Math's emotions like he is. I am sure Math has another reason for this, but it's irrelevant. We die in order to leave the rest of you in a better state for solving the game.
If a town was getting vigged anyway, might as well clear up some issues regarding the gamestate and remove a conflicting voice. We have our target in mind and are not taking submissions.
Now, normally I would take submissions, but the town is too fractured to expect a scum bus. The possibility of a flip beyond their control may fracture the scumteam.
Caesar or ABR. Git her done.
~Titus
Oh god, really this was your plan? To waste 2 wonders....for a result thatll be killed off the next night?
Guess we better have that pyramids claim then but......fucking hell.
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:27 am
by davesaz
Why would we need the pyramids claim?
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:27 am
by The DEO
Try arguing itfor three hours with Titus Vecna.
~~Math
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:27 am
by Vecna
In post 5288, Albert B. Rampage wrote: In post 5284, The DEO wrote:
Yeah, you've lynched me before. You don't want this gamestate resolved. Just vig us.
I am literally asking you to silence us. All you have to do is do it. You think I am antitown and suck anyway, so what's your problem? Want a punching bag?
I told you what I want. Your slot is obvtown and Mathblade is a good player. Not only good but influential and can bring together a coallition. You don't have that ability because you're too volatile and stubborn.
The only reason your saying this, is because math scumreads the person that wants you dead.
The only reason you refuse to vig the slot is because you know it doesnt further scum wincondition.
Now that the cat is out of the bag the pyramids claim, we vig titus, and titus confirms the pyramids.
Fucking waste, but its the best course of action that is left now.
Ofcourse youre not getting the wonder anyway since we'll be lynching your ass.
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:29 am
by The DEO
Called a shit post.
~~Math
LUV does them as either alignment. I scumread them but this reason is bad.
Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:30 am
by davesaz
In post 5312, The DEO wrote: In post 5308, davesaz wrote:
Pedit: there is more than one way to deal with toxicity between a pair of players in a game. If you have to weigh the fun of 1 or 2 people against the fun of 20+, strong action may be required to protect the 20+.
Someone gets it.
I'm thinking more along the lines of a way to remove the toxicity without removing the slot. With or without consent.