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Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:07 am**

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Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:10 am**

In post 5284, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 5183, Tchill13 wrote:
In post 3438, Kublai Khan wrote:Lol at Creature being a useless sack then showing up to bitch about poor town leadership. He hasn't even read the game. He's just throwing out random names.

"Omg scum-Pine will kill me" Pine is being replaced.

Creature needs rope tomorrow. Line that shit up.

In post 3439, Kublai Khan wrote:Especially if WhemeStar flips scum.
wtf is this?
I backed off of Creature for fairly public reasons. You can iso me to re-visit that.

Yeah but in the moment this is actually gross. Showing a lot of aggression towards another player while you're on the wheme wagon.

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:24 am**

Still gotta catch up but wanted to talk about the night kill.

PP NK actually makes Vax look more likely to be scum to me.

I guess it cant hurt too much to share what my theory has been:

I've kinda been operating under the assumption that Vax's vig claim was legit and and he un-claimed after his shot didnt go through cuz of a likely RB and scum has been neutralizing him ever since.

But if that was true then I would think scum would have killed him over PP for sure.

Still probably dont scumread Vax but my townread on him has certainly waned.

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:33 am**

In post 5120, Krazy wrote:
In post 5005, JarJarDrinks wrote:and again:
Spoiler:
In post 4814, JarJarDrinks wrote:
In post 1405, Dunnstral wrote:I wouldn't feel too bad about lynching a town vig, by the way, but maybe we should let them live. If nothing else, if they're real they could tie up mafia roleblocker or something

In post 3242, Dunnstral wrote:What's wrong with you guys? I don't remember wheme being so scummy that we ignore good strategy and just lynch him through a doctor claim, I was under the impression that this was basically a lurker/lynchbait day.

Wheme isn't scummy around hammer, why would mafia claim dumb protect targets

If Wheme is mafia he gets caught later and we lynch him over any other doc claim if it comes to it

If we lynch doctor we lose our way to protect all these mason/ic that prematurely claimed (more bad town play but nothing I could do about it)

VOTE: PenguinPower
Why the 2 different attitudes about the claims?

Tell me why didn't he defend the vig claim?
This is town pursuing an incorrect lead. JJD did have a strong case and Dunn needed a flip for reads to stabilize.

In post 4847, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 4845, Tchill13 wrote:It means scum thought about what they were going to fake claim.

Scum said "wheme fake claim cop, because we have multiple masons outed already and that'd be a reason to buy you a day. At the worst you out the real protective"

Wheme fake claims, dunn highlights why we'd keep the doc in the game. Now in the context of the claim it looks terrible and awkward. So I'm having a hard time believing anyone actually believed that claim. On top of the fact DUNN HIGH LIGHTED THE DOC COULD PROTECT THE MASONS. Which is why scum fake claimed doc in particular.
Hm this makes sense
VOTE: Dunnstral
This is scum bandwagoning on to misguided town.

Look at the difference between how JJD and Gamma approach the Dunn wagon. Tchill's argument does not really make sense; the doc claim is precisely why scum would be inclined to bus. Gamma doesn't even comment on Tchill getting Wheme's fakeclaim wrong. It's like he's not even reading tchill's line of reasoning but wants an excuse to put his vote on a leading wagon. There is 0 real thought put into this vote.

Gamma is obvscum.

Not a terrible case but I do think Tchills reason made some sense. I look more into gamma.

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:35 am**

Day 5 VC #3Krazy (2) - Wavemode (5263), Hopkirk (5265)
Gamma Emerald (2) - Krazy (5115), Vaxkiller (5121)
JarJarDrinks (1) - TehBrawlGuy (5126)
TehBrawlGuy (1) - Tchill13 (5174)
Vaxkiller (0) -
Wavemode (1) - Ankamius (5168)
Not Voting (9) - Kublai Khan, Scioness Sajj, JarJarDrinks, Creature, Texcat, Gamma Emerald, Skygazer, Golden Robster, Myloninja13

Lynch ThresholdDuring day 5, it takes 9 votes to lynch a player.

DeadlineDay 5 ends on August 8, 2018 8:45 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-08-08 20:45:00).

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Moderator is V/LA from August 10 to August 21. (Hopefully I'll be around during that time, but if not, I'm sure Not Known 15 will cover for me.)
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Spoiler: Current Voting History

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 4

* - Hammer Vote

Dunnstral

(1): Texcat (4670)
Golden Robster (2): Scioness Sajj (4681) -->

Dunnstral

(5019)
Krazy (3): Texcat (4669) --> Gamma Emerald (4859) -->

Dunnstral

(5104*)
Creature (3): Scioness Sajj (4665) --> Texcat (4745) -->

Dunnstral

(4817)
Hopkirk (5): Scioness Sajj (4672) --> (Null) (4848) --> Scioness Sajj (4857) --> Vaxkiller (4992) --> Golden Robster (5062)
Gamma Emerald (1):

Dunnstral

(4847)
Tchill13 (6): Scioness Sajj (4707) -->

Dunnstral

(4822) --> Scioness Sajj (4863) -->

Dunnstral

(4988) --> (Null) (5064) --> TehBrawlGuy (5102)
Skygazer (4): Scioness Sajj (4717) --> Texcat (4888) --> (Null) (4894) -->

Dunnstral

(4973)
JarJarDrinks (2): Scioness Sajj (4674) -->

Dunnstral

(4815)
Ankamius (3): Tchill13 (4756) --> Texcat (5002) --> Krazy (5049)
Texcat (1):

Dunnstral

(4829)
TehBrawlGuy (1): Texcat (4710)
Vaxkiller (1): Scioness Sajj (4721)
Wavemode (2): Scioness Sajj (4854) -->

Dunnstral

(5071)

PenguinPower

(2): Scioness Sajj (4713) -->

Dunnstral

(4819)
Myloninja13 (3):

Dunnstral

(4837) --> Gamma Emerald (4965) -->

Dunnstral

(5059)
Scioness Sajj (2): Texcat (4675) --> (Null) (4895)

Day 3

* - Hammer vote
^ - Vote occurred after hammer

Dunnstral

(2): Myloninja13 (3463) --> Texcat (4162)
Golden Robster (3):

Dunnstral

(3559) --> TehBrawlGuy (4208) --> Creature (4255)
Pine (0):
Krazy (3):

Dunnstral

(3978) --> Texcat (4161) --> Gamma Emerald (4392)
Creature (8): Texcat (3472) -->

Lalendra

(3681) --> Texcat (3744) --> Myloninja13 (4013) --> Texcat (4165) -->

Lalendra

(4213) --> Kublai Khan (4260) -->

Lalendra

(4284)
Kublai Khan (7): Creature (3511) -->

Lalendra

(4033) --> TehBrawlGuy (4184) --> Creature (4240) -->

Lalendra

(4308) --> Gamma Emerald (4416) -->

Lalendra

(4557)
Hopkirk (3):

Lalendra

(3661) --> Myloninja13 (4082) -->

Lalendra

(4339)
Gamma Emerald (3):

Lalendra

(3913) --> (Null) (3954) --> Myloninja13 (4073)

Ausuka

(4): Myloninja13 (3640) -->

Lalendra

(3677) --> Myloninja13 (4010) -->

Lalendra

(4286)

Lalendra

(3): TehBrawlGuy (3719) --> Myloninja13 (4130) --> Creature (4384)
Tchill13 (3):

Lalendra

(3690) --> Myloninja13 (4082) -->

Lalendra

(4215)
Frozen Angel (0):
Skygazer (1):

Lalendra

(4564)
JarJarDrinks (5): Creature (3616) --> (Null) (3694) -->

Lalendra

(3695) -->

Dunnstral

(3704) -->

Lalendra

(3721)
Ankamius (3):

Lalendra

(3801) --> (Null) (4044) --> Creature (4239)
Texcat (1): Myloninja13 (3637)
TehBrawlGuy (4): JarJarDrinks (3466) --> Texcat (3790) --> Creature (4245) --> Gamma Emerald (4421)
Vaxkiller (3): Kublai Khan (4004) --> Myloninja13 (4214) -->

Lalendra

(4220)
Wavemode (2): TehBrawlGuy (3468) -->

Lalendra

(3716) --> _{Ankamius (4600^)}

PenguinPower

(3): Texcat (3473) --> Myloninja13 (3643) -->

Lalendra

(3678)
Myloninja13 (2):

Dunnstral

(3765) --> Creature (4252)
Scioness Sajj (3): Texcat (3756) --> Creature (4338) -->

Lalendra

(4577*)

Day 2

Note: * - Hammer Vote

Dunnstral

(4): Myloninja13 (1942) --> JarJarDrinks (2206) -->

PenguinPower

(3242) --> TehBrawlGuy (3248)
Golden Robster (17): Hopkirk (2078) --> (Null) (2096) -->

PenguinPower

(2112) --> Scioness Sajj (2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171) --> (Null) (2288) --> Creature (2299) -->

WhemeStar

(2304) --> Wavemode (2367) --> Scioness Sajj (2432) --> TehBrawlGuy (2526) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2642) --> (Null) (2783) -->

PenguinPower

(2979) -->

WhemeStar

(3099) --> (Null) (3284) -->

WhemeStar

(3286)
Pine (1): Andriod18 (1936)
Creature (3): Myloninja13 (1941) -->

PenguinPower

(2835) -->

WhemeStar

(3453*)
Kublai Khan (5):

Flavor Leaf

(1944) --> (Null) (2366) --> Vaxkiller (2423) -->

PenguinPower

(2899) -->

WhemeStar

(3027)

WhemeStar

(4): Vaxkiller (2245) --> JarJarDrinks (2301) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2542) -->

PenguinPower

(2930)
Hopkirk (5): Andriod18 (2197) --> Kublai Khan (2346) --> (Null) (2781) ==> (Null) (2782) -->

WhemeStar

(3008)
Gamma Emerald (5): Kublai Khan (2488) --> Golden Robster (2839) --> (Null) (2867) -->

PenguinPower

(2990) -->

WhemeStar

(3318)

Ausuka

(7):

PenguinPower

(1960) --> Myloninja13 (2434) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2504) --> (Null) (2573) --> Myloninja13 (2574) --> TehBrawlGuy (3023) -->

WhemeStar

(3293)

Lalendra

(7): Vaxkiller (2184) --> JarJarDrinks (2334) --> Andriod18 (2503) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2657) --> (Null) (2705) -->

PenguinPower

(2809) -->

WhemeStar

(3097)
EspeciallyTheLies (1):

PenguinPower

(1996)
JarJarDrinks (10): Andriod18 (1945) --> EspeciallyTheLies (2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2327) --> (Null) (2612) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2640) --> (Null) (2755) --> Andriod18 (2943) -->

WhemeStar

(3030)
Andriod18 (2): JarJarDrinks (2116) --> Kublai Khan (2533)
Texcat (2): ArcAngel9 (1987) --> Myloninja13 (2552)
ArcAngel9 (1): Texcat (2072)
TehBrawlGuy (7): (Null) (2535) --> Wavemode (2690) -->

WhemeStar

(3062) --> (Null) (3118) -->

WhemeStar

(3165) --> (Null) (3196) -->

WhemeStar

(3233)
Vaxkiller (5):

WhemeStar

(2343) --> Myloninja13 (2472) -->

PenguinPower

(3012) -->

WhemeStar

(3112) -->

PenguinPower

(3290)
Wavemode (6): Texcat (2044) --> Andriod18 (2331) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2635) --> (Null) (2800) -->

WhemeStar

(2966) ==>

WhemeStar

(3115)

PenguinPower

(7): Myloninja13 (1947) --> Kublai Khan (2572) -->

Flavor Leaf

(2709) --> Myloninja13 (2759) --> Golden Robster (2775) --> (Null) (2894) -->

WhemeStar

(2962)
Myloninja13 (1):

PenguinPower

(2437)
Scioness Sajj (3): Andriod18 (2904) -->

WhemeStar

(3034) -->

PenguinPower

(3255)

Flavor Leaf

(5): JarJarDrinks (2205) --> Kublai Khan (2499) -->

PenguinPower

(2715) --> Golden Robster (2774) -->

WhemeStar

(2958)

Day 1

Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral

(5):

Osuka

(77) --> Texcat (1388) -->

Lalendra

(1623) -->

Osuka

(1758) -->

Performer

(1782)

Srceenplay

(0): (Null)

Performer

(5):

Osuka

(623) -->

TheRampage

(909) --> Wavemode (1051) --> Andriod18 (1765) -->

Performer

(1849)*

Joral

(0): (Null)

Almost50

(8): Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) -->

Osuka

(390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13):

Almost50

(177) --> Wavemode (183) -->

Osuka

(236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) --> Wavemode (1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> (Null) (1798)
Pine (2):

Osuka

(176) --> Andriod18 (1835)
Creature (6):

Performer

(385) --> Myloninja13 (720) -->

TheRampage

(813) -->

Performer

(898) --> Andriod18 (1449) -->

Performer

(1846)
Kublai Khan (6):

Osuka

(76) -->

Almost50

(122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) -->

Osuka

(725) -->

Performer

(957)

WhemeStar

(3):

Lalendra

(234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) -->

Flavor Leaf

(955)
Hopkirk (9):

Osuka

(90) -->

Lalendra

(279) -->

Osuka

(696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) -->

Performer

(1273) --> (Null) (1315) -->

Performer

(1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)
Edosurist (2): Texcat (84) -->

Almost50

(222)
Gamma Emerald (3): Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107) --> Andriod18 (1711) --> _{(Null) (1889)^}

Ausuka

(9): JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) -->

TheRampage

(743) --> Wavemode (998) -->

Performer

(1604) -->

Lalendra

(1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)

Lalendra

(3):

Almost50

(209) --> (Null) (559) -->

Performer

(1229)
EspeciallyTheLies (2):

Almost50

(83) -->

Performer

(515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
Frozen Angel (3):

Performer

(1579) --> (Null) (1606) -->

Performer

(1814)
JarJarDrinks (8):

Osuka

(85) -->

Almost50

(114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) -->

Osuka

(535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)

Osuka

(10): Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) -->

Performer

(769) -->

TheRampage

(771) -->

Performer

(1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) -->

Performer

(1384)
Texcat (4):

Osuka

(79) --> Wavemode (1080) -->

Osuka

(1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18 (4): Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855) -->

Performer

(1796)
ArcAngel9 (4): Texcat (81) -->

TheRampage

(223) --> Texcat (604) -->

Performer

(1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller (8): JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) -->

TheRampage

(1085) -->

Performer

(1116)
Wavemode (5): Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) -->

Osuka

(867) -->

Performer

(1108)

TheRampage

(3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) -->

Osuka

(681)

PenguinPower

(1):

Performer

(1774)
Myloninja13 (4): Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326) -->

Performer

(1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)
Scioness Sajj (4):

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325) -->

Performer

(1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)

Flavor Leaf

(1): Andriod18 (1772)

Pre-Game

Dunnstral

(2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)

Srceenplay

(1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1):

Osuka

(16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1):

Osuka

(66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)

Osuka

(2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1):

Osuka

(31)

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:44 am**

In post 5297, wavemode wrote:if that's what you think i was doing, you are free to have that opinion

i just saw it as generating discussion

So you're not scum-hunting and you're just encouraging talking and are happy to steer it into a direction that gets someone else lynched.

How is that anything but scummy?

VOTE: wavemode

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 9:50 am**

In post 5301, Tchill13 wrote:
In post 5284, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 5183, Tchill13 wrote:
In post 3438, Kublai Khan wrote:Lol at Creature being a useless sack then showing up to bitch about poor town leadership. He hasn't even read the game. He's just throwing out random names.

"Omg scum-Pine will kill me" Pine is being replaced.

Creature needs rope tomorrow. Line that shit up.

In post 3439, Kublai Khan wrote:Especially if WhemeStar flips scum.
wtf is this?
I backed off of Creature for fairly public reasons. You can iso me to re-visit that.
Yeah but in the moment this is actually gross. Showing a lot of aggression towards another player while you're on the wheme wagon.

Are you serious Tchill13?

I aggressively shut someone down who is trying to de-rail a lynch wagon on scum and you're scum-reading me for that?? Have you lost your mind?

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:01 am**

That VCA on Osuka seriously point to krazy or tex being scum. At one point the wagon was:

Osuka (8) - Dunnstral (77), Texcat, Krazy (176), Almost50 (390), JarJarDrinks (535), Performer (623), PenguinPower (681), Hopkirk (696)

It's very unlikely a town wagon gets that large w/o some scum on it. I know I'm town and Dunn/Almost/Performer/PP/Hopkirk are all town.

I think Tex/Krazy is prob a good place to lynch from

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:16 am**

@kublai I'm just looking at the wheme wagon and seeing all the players that have already flipped town. Someone had to bus on that wagon.

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:26 am**

VOTE: gamma emerald

we have 6 days, let's get moving

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:29 am**

In post 5308, Tchill13 wrote:@kublai I'm just looking at the wheme wagon and seeing all the players that have already flipped town. Someone had to bus on that wagon.

Tell me, do you think the WhemeStar lynch had more scum on it or off of it?

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:36 am**

VOTE: TBG

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:44 am**

GR is JJD town?

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:47 am**

read over tbg iso and his interactions with wheme towards end of day are bad and indicative of stalling, if not trying to start another wagon

In post 3060, TehBrawlGuy wrote:Slight town lean on PP himself, but Rampage is town and so I really dislike the wagon.
A18 is still obvtown

Wheme I'm pretty null on, but of the three leading wagons, it's the only one I think is tolerable, so I'm ok shifting to it if we go that way.
Who outside of the 3 leading wagons could we go to? Obv. Wave is my preference, but I don't think that's going to gain legs.

tbg trying to stall while at the same time re-stating that he doesn't mind voting wheme (aka the bus)

In post 3062, TehBrawlGuy wrote:oh fuck it's closer than I thought

VOTE: wheme

still open to counterwagons but this is a more useful vote than wave atm

fake "it's closer to deadline" and votes wheme while also off-handed comment about open counterwagons

In post 3117, TehBrawlGuy wrote:busy irl so can't reply fully, but UNVOTE: wheme[\unvote].

still want lynch, just bad policy to run to l-1 preclaim

hesitating with this aka he wants wheme to claim and try and prevent this lynch from happening giving excuse about bad policy

In post 3143, TehBrawlGuy wrote:Let me get this straight, you're scumreading me for not wanting to see a hammer before claim, when my most recent completed game had exactly that?

Do you not see why that makes no sense?

In post 3148, TehBrawlGuy wrote:yes, I want all the town credit for lynching someone who I've stated I'm null on and only on because I hate the other wagons. Clearly.

Also that was more in reply to GR saying nobody would speedhammer, tbh.

In post 3165, TehBrawlGuy wrote:k
VOTE: wheme
dunn please intent

these last three posts just feel defensive in an off-handed way and then the awkward posts (and interaction with wheme) that come after

Spoiler:

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:48 am**

In post 5312, Krazy wrote:GR is JJD town?

yes why?

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:49 am**

strongest scumread right now is TBG followed by SS and then creature/gamma

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:55 am**

In post 5271, texcat wrote:Very quickly Vax goes from voting Krazy to saying that Krazy's post makes sense and voting Gamma. How does something like that happen?

Spoiler: Vax posts
In post 5118, Vaxkiller wrote:lama apology

VOTE: krazy

In post 5119, Vaxkiller wrote:I've interpreted pp's dying pixelated scream into a vote

In post 5121, Vaxkiller wrote:VOTE: gama'
hmm this makes sense

In post 5122, Vaxkiller wrote:no seriously tho.

In post 5272, Hopkirk wrote:Scumteaming.

vax scum is possible but still of the mindset that it's town; haven't felt his presence and need to iso again

krazy is leaning town for me; his content and argument about gamma being scum is reasonable

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:56 am**

In post 5302, JarJarDrinks wrote:Still probably dont scumread Vax but my townread on him has certainly waned.

yeah basically this on vax

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:01 am**

okay yeah I just iso'd vax and he's awful content-wise and if we go by votes then he's potentially (if not probably) scum

but I still townread him because of these posts that feel like it's coming from town

That whether ur town or scum, u've played terrible this game.

In post 2181, Vaxkiller wrote:I guess that's about right actually.

In post 2185, Vaxkiller wrote:This is probably one of my worst games to date, and im really going to fuck over town. Feelsbadman

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:03 am**

@krazy do you tr TBG right now?

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:09 am**

the main thing am worried about right now is that lots of players feel scummy to me right now

and trying my best to differentiate between who actually has good intentions vs those who don't

will do a vc analysis tomorrow

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:10 am**

yeah i think doing a vc analysis is best option here

someone else should do one as well just to get a better picture of whose been on which wagon and mislynches

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:11 am**

@mylo I see you lurking, talk to me about your reads right now (tr and sr)

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:17 am**

is anybody online right now to talk with me

need to go sleep soon

Posted: **Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:22 am**

Does anyone have a strong town read on TehBrawlGuy?

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