Titus v. Alisae (endgame)

[gobbledygook]

And they wanted to see if anyone would pick up on the mafia setup.
And guess who picked up in it.
That’s right!
THIS GUY!

I mean maybe but in the last moriarty game there was 1 scum in a 3 man hood, 1 scum in 4 informed roles, and 1 goon against a neapolitan so uhhh

moriarty could be pushing AGAINST the gimmick they did last time

but this sounds more like something moriarty came up with than Alisae tbh which suggests some of them are town

-S

I hope one day moriarity gets to play in a game run by moriarity and then they get to see what it's like to experience this flagrant disregard of basic human rights

[Sherlock and Watson]

Like I kinda want to lynch outside the joats precisely because of the last game I played

I can see ali picking a scum joat and then moriarty designing in ~2+ town joats to screw with spec

Like moriarty's job is to make a balanced setup and one approach to that is to simply duplicate roleclaims so that people don't know what's up

and by that logic the joats should lean town not scum

-S

[AaronFrost]

My scumrange is weird

I've had like one or two decent scumgames (Large 223 where I was scum with Boon and Titus and Micro 897) but the rest have been shit

[Sherlock and Watson]

I think SS played in one of the overkill games which is probably way stupider than this setup

-S

[gobbledygook]

he was caught day 1 and legit slipped he was scum in my modded game mini normal 2115

wasn't that AFTER this game started though?

also if Ali already picked Maria isn't there a chance e'd pick a wildcard?

-S

aaron slipped like jan 20 and died on jan 24, so no.

I am thinking Maria was probably 2nd or 3rd pick. I don't know what people think of her town game, but if it is not as highly as her scum game that is totally within the realm of possibility

[gobbledygook]

anyway see y'all on the flipside, vote pine, m4a, ty

[Sherlock and Watson]

Maria's scumgame is Grade A and Dunn's towngame is Grade A, both players are exceptionally strong and I am operating under the assumption that hydra was a first pick for Ali

-S

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE why exactly do you think that the whole scum team is JOATs all with neighborizers?

Like all JOATs I could see, but each of them having a neighborizer seems unlikely to me.

If you've already explained this then quote it for me.

Alisae response to Neighborizors was BAD for a Treestump.
Also their so and so “Slip” is also telling.

I think the 'slip' was done to cause pandemonium, which it's apparently doing a good job of.

Like I agree that scum most likely has another neighborizer of some kind, but to say the entire scum team is neighborizing JOATs is a reach for how much info we have right now.

Maybe but think of it.
Don’t you think it’s very possible for Alisae to pick a setup like that.
Look at Alisae
Then look at all the Normal Roles.
Which ones you think Alisae is going to pick?
Which would cause the most chaos and make Titus lose?
That’s right! Neighborizing JOAT’s.

Chemist is a good choice for a scum mate for a few reasons.
1) He’s not a scummy player.
So he can’t really be PL’ed and you doesn’t really ever fool around to the point of being bad.
He’s a very relaxed and “chemist” Playstyle.
I don’t like it TBF but it has its pluses.
2) He’s good at Neighborizing.
In a game I played on Mafia 451 he Neighborized the Cop.
Told his mafia to frame the Cops target.
Got the target lynched who from reactions to the cop guilty alone spewed town.
But no one was willing to lynch Chemist for it.
3) Leverage
Chemist as the capability to get out of situations the “Chemist” Way.
Like to the point that no one feels directly comfortable on lynching chemist.
So Chemist can sound so genuine and make people uneasy on voting him.

And with all this I don’t know what else I have to do to explain to people that Chemist is Scum here.

[Sherlock and Watson]

I'll compromise on Pine if we need to sacrifice the negative utility to the mech solving gods but I still don't know what page the Aaron/Ali interaction thing was that TSE thinks spews him town and I'd like to review that if possible thanks

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

I actually feel like there are big things missing from what Aaron usually does as town? I can meta more but his iso is actually really barren of reads

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Like I've flipped the argument; I thought Aaron was town because there were things absent from his scumgame I would have expected to see. But now I'm worried this is outside his townrange, i.e. iso is too empty to come from town Aaron?

-S

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I'll compromise on Pine if we need to sacrifice the negative utility to the mech solving gods but I still don't know what page the Aaron/Ali interaction thing was that TSE thinks spews him town and I'd like to review that if possible thanks

-S

What’s wrong with Chemist?
Did you read my last post?


Here I’ll show you what to do.
I’ll give you a hand.
VOTE: Chemist
Do that ^

[AaronFrost]

I mean honestly I'm still willing to lynch Chemist but Titus veto'd it

[TrueSoulEnergy]

If Chemist was Town he would have notice me being Town by now and have said I’m in my Town Meta.
The fact he didn’t is just like he was in Mafia 451
Neighborizor Scum.

Don’t let the chemist fool you all.
Chemist no deserve win.
Chemist bad boy.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I mean honestly I'm still willing to lynch Chemist but Titus veto'd it

Which is the wrong course of action.
Do what’s right for Town.
Do what is best for business
Do what is best for this game.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

And that best thing is.
To vote “Chemist.”

[AaronFrost]

Like I've flipped the argument; I thought Aaron was town because there were things absent from his scumgame I would have expected to see. But now I'm worried this is outside his townrange, i.e. iso is too empty to come from town Aaron?

-S

Krazy have we played together prior to this game?

I'll admit that I haven't been playing to my meta this game, call this my lazy town game if you will.

I've also been pretty busy the past couple weeks but I should have more free time this week.

[Sherlock and Watson]

Wasn't your argument that chemist doesn't reevaluate as town so if he did flip his read on you wouldn't that also be scummy? Just making sure I can follow the argument

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Krazy have we played together prior to this game?

I've never played with town you I'm just looking back on previous games

-S

[Espeonage]

Yo S and W.

I don't really think you two are scum. Like I think your trajectories are weird and your start of game wasn't great. But I am interested in chasing up with you about what you think is the best Lynch to break this wifom jungle we are in.

@thread: I think that we have all successfully proven that claims can be likely set aside and I think any discussion of lynching in or out of certain role related pools is going to get us nowhere but cyclical arguments. What I want to hear is arguments about play. I've seen a lot of mentions of tonal reads but not much backing evidence, so I'd like to be able to get some vision on that and see if anything resonates with me. Tone and intention are my personally best scum hunting tools so I think it's time to move back to that.

[Espeonage]

Does someone want to provide me an AF cliff notes that doesn't include meta or perceived ranges?

[Espeonage]

Does anyone have the four person compositions of the Amrun and TSE wagons from yesterday.

Bc I am p sure Oka is town and I know I am town. I honestly am trying to wrap my head around SW scum making sense and it's getting harder and harder the more I think about it. I think you need to drop it Titus.

[OkaPoka]

his progression on mako and kaito reads as scum who doesn't want to bus and then decides at the last moment maybe bussing is pretty sexy

[Sherlock and Watson]

Well here's my AF trajectory:
-Early game he thought the thread was bloated which seemed townie because it was
-Later he strongly defended Dunn when Dunn was being heavy pushed which is ~surprising for scum

Currently my re-evaluation concerns are:
-He has very few coherent reads
-The reads he does have he flips on kinda randomly sometimes

I did like his tone early game but his solving is kinda absent

-S

[Espeonage]

That's the bit I can believe. But the associative are scrubbed after that. Like we get nowhere after that.

Resistance on everything at the moment means I think someone being followed by people might be scum. Which would also lend credence to S and W, FL, gobbles. But it's pure conjecture.