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I mean, even if we go with the worst-case scenario for my argument and suppose that your push on Parama was a conscious bus (which I actually do think is what happened; I don't contest that it wasn't any sort of "forced to bus" sort of thing), you're in a really terrible position if people just default into lynching Jester afterward, so yes you would need to attempt to keep attention focused on my pair. and yes, you did pull off my pair eventually... to attempt to lynch SAD's pair first on a Parama scum flip instead. kudos.

and yes, I am talking as if mhsmith is town. if he flips scum then o well, I'll look like an idiot I guess (and I have acknowledged that you're town if he's scum. I have literally said this. there is nothing I am missing here), but I said it before: I have a stronger scum read on you and I want people thinking about what happens if mhsmith flips town *now*, while I'm still alive.

Thing about dunn is that if he's scum, he does this really mild show of suspecting me in the ~1500 area, including making some connections consistent with that mindset, specifically HS-kagami scumpair (1378-1575). HS is someone I'd especially be expecting him not to be attacking even indirectly due to his being town-attached-to-partner.

The vast majority of his iso is pretty underwhelming (1733 jumps out as icky-feeling), but the overall feeling I get is that he's upset that no one is listening to him while he actually believes people should be listening to him. I don't think he has any particularly sketchy interactions with parama, and if I've missed something, feel free to point it out.

As far as connections to a possibly-scum jester are concerned, I remain highly skeptical that scum-jester put me as scummy and dunn as towny in his assessment of our pair if it's in fact the opposite. If he wanted us to be the rule of three correct read, he would likely just call us both nullscum or something like that.

In post 5326, Kagami wrote:As far as connections to a possibly-scum jester are concerned, I remain highly skeptical that scum-jester put me as scummy and dunn as towny in his assessment of our pair if it's in fact the opposite. If he wanted us to be the rule of three correct read, he would likely just call us both nullscum or something like that.

I really don't think this is as much of a tell as you seem to think it is.

Dunn's behavior throughout this game day, in my opinion, makes absolutely no sense if he is scum with SAD, but he makes a lot of sense as scum with Jester and his push on Parama was intended to weaken SAD/scout's standing in the game by linking them to them. why would Dunn do all of this and bus Parama and try to hard town read the Jester pair and lead us all around in circles to get his endgame, when he could easily have just lynched Jester at the start of today and then had an easy MYLO lynch on my pair?

also, do you still intend on leaving the dance if mhsmith flips town?

I am not trying to lynch your pair over my pair at this point in the game, I just want to make sure that 1. this is secured *if* I'm correct and mhsmith does flip town here, and 2. we're on the same page one way or another about who his partner would be in that universe, even though I feel really really sure his behavior indicates that it's Jester.

I think sad scout is town regardless, though I'd like a bit to review that before committing to a suicide pact.

k then, we're more or less on the same page still.

Ugh earlier today I was pretty confident I had this cracked but now I'm doubting myself again.
I'm here if anybody wants to talk, I'm re-reading Parama's interactions in the meantime.

If anyone is curious, he's scumreading inspector and Smith, in that order.

Sorry for speaking on your behalf, Jester. People were getting antsy.

Goddamit girl, let me think things through.
I'm not scumreading smith per se but I think him or Dunn are likely to be scum, I just can't figure out which one

And I think all ladies are likely town, SAD prolly too

In post 5265, pieguyn wrote:

In post 5262, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:If mhsmith/Pie in the very off-chance both flip town, I will heavily consider leaving dance because it would feel like inspector was trying to sway me that way instead of Parama in the PT.

However, individually, inspector still feels genuine and town-thinking things through, and Dunn's read on him right now feels awful (which feels like he's playing both cards btw, like he's just pushing my lynch and whenever convenient calls me or inspector scum, that's actually the thing that's most worrying me in his push - not the fact that he's pushing me, I'm liking that because I don't think scum would be stupid enough to push me now after Parama failure instead of later, but just the fact that his push feels ~so~ off-handed).

do not do this. if our pair is town, then your pair is town/town and it is Jester and Dunn. don't pay too much attention to how bad scout's read on us was, it isn't malicious - Dunn's read on you two is, on the other hand, malicious.

I get the feeling if your pair is town/town then I'm gonna get paranoia inspector was using AtE to try to win me over in the PT, like subtly pushing mhsmith while also masking the push by largely trying to make it more jokingly. Also I really don't want to be the one who ends up throwing the game because I paired with scum that would honestly make me the saddest.

In post 5332, MiniDeathStar wrote:If anyone is curious, he's scumreading inspector and Smith, in that order.

Extremely low chance of them being paired though. And if I had to choose between them I am heavilyyyyyyy in favor of choosing mhsmith for scum. Inspector scum only exists in my mind in a world where mhsmith flips town, it's the thought that lurks at the back of my mind. However by all logic and gut mhsmith is scum.

In post 5334, The_Jester wrote:And I think all ladies are likely town, SAD prolly too

>scumread on inspector
>"I think all the ladies are town"

That nick+avi combo must've confused me lol I've been somehow thinking you're gentleman+gentleman the whole time what the fuck

Man I don't know I think I like Dunn for town more but he's fooled me before so idk I'm trash

Why did Vedith have to leave :/ It would've been so much easier with him here

In post 5339, The_Jester wrote:Why did Vedith have to leave :/

Good question.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 1&sr=posts

Why did he have to leave all those games and create a massive hole in the replacement queue?

He's been pretty nervous and angry lately, guess he just needed a break.

I still stand by the fact Vedith was a bad player and not only because I got mad he committed to so many games and flaked on them, like way before that. Weren't his two biggest scumreads me and maria or something. If you believe he was a prophet feel free to push me.

Nah he's pretty good

Since we got sidetracked anyway:

My hydra run with Vedith has got to be the most hilarious and pathetic displays in the history of ms.
We got into a game and we got lynched immediately for being a hydra before I could even post anything but an entrance I was so pissed off then but now I'm laughing every time I recall it.
I've spent more time thinking of the hydra name than actually playing. Never touched that acc again.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/memberlist.p ... le&u=28513

Since we sidetracked anyway

What's the basis of your scumread on me? I'm the lady in the couple but I'm wearing the pants, lol

He's wearing the suit and toting around the gun

In post 5346, Dunnstral wrote:He's wearing the suit and toting around the gun

Shhh darling


If I'm the suit-gun guy, you're the suit-gun-dead body in the trunk kind of person

Few interactions with Parama made me suspicious but it's nothing solid really. I think I'm wishing you're scum just so I feel better about myself cause I don't have any real scumreads.
I should've gotten myself lynched instead of obvtown Maria and misrepped Shadow...

The only thing I'm cerain of is there's no pair containing 2 scum. Yay for gamebreaking revelations